****Gas or Electric Oven?
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Comments (1)Gas vs. electric has been discussed a lot on this Forum. You can use the search function to find a lot of threads. But I did it for you. Linked below are the many threads that came up with that search. Also, I am not clear whether the Bosch you are talking about is a wall oven or an electric range. If you are looking for a wall oven, there aren't too many gas wall ovens made in any case. If a range, well you can choose all-gas, all-electric, or dual-fuel. They each have their pros and cons (see threads). Regarding the oven capacity issue you mentioned - if anything, I have heard that electric ovens have smaller capacities due to the electric element. But actually, capacities of ovens, ostensibly the same size, vary widely across manufacturers, regardless of fuel type. Best to go to stores carrying the brands you are considering, and see for yourself. Bring a big roasting pan or the like with you, to really see relative sizes. Also, since you say you have "always used gas", do you have the electric line for your new Bosch installed? That wiring installation can be pricey or not, depending on your home's electrical set-up. Here is a link that might be useful: Threads on Electric vs. Gas...See MoreGas vs. electric oven
Comments (15)If you can cook and bake you can cook and bake in anything. I'd done it in a special pot on a gas ring (inc. chocolate chip cookies), in totally awful appliances, and in the very best ovens. Re moisture: It's true that there is a slightly higher amount of moisture in a gas oven because of the burning fuel, but if that's your deal you can also use an electric oven with a bain marie, put a ramekin of water in the oven, or crack it open and spray with mist. Re char: Char comes from heat, and especially proximity to heat, not from fuel. Some electric ovens come with high intensity broilers. Re control: I don't have personal experience with top notch gas ovens, but from what I've heard they make them nowadays with convection, good sensors and electronic temperature controls. They may not have the precision of a Gaggenau electric, or even a Miele, but it should be possible to get a very good result on your delicate baking. I have made all kinds of touchy things, including souffles and brioches, in the really crappy gas oven that came with the house. It has no proper temperature control and is very uneven. It should be a lot easier in a really good gas oven. Personally, I like the precision. I like it because sometimes I just have to turn out scads of food and don't want to be bothered "interacting" with the oven contents-- checking on them, rotating them, adjusting the temperature, etc. So I don't just want an electric oven, I only want a Gaggenau....See MoreTrying to decide between a gas vs electric oven, any advise please?
Comments (9)There are a few differences in gas and electric ovens. You will find that chefs and manufacturers would say gas is “moist” heat because water is a byproduct of combustion and so electric must be dry. The problem is they are not looking at the whole oven and the process of cooking. What are sources of moisture and what happens to it? There is moisture released with the combustion of gas. Food also produces quite a bit of moisture in the cooking process. I read just a couple of weeks ago on the Miele website that a cake baking provides the equivalent of the 30 % steam setting on their steam oven. Imagine how much moisture is produced with some other foods. Gas ovens have a much bigger vent to vent the products of combustion and moisture from food. You have a lot more movement of air through a gas oven while an electric oven has a much smaller vent, holding on to the moisture produced by the food. Reading cooking and baking forums you hear these comments over and over. Gas ovens put more heat and moisture into the kitchen. Gas ovens are great for roasting and browning. If you read about the Maillard reaction, you will see that you must have drying to allow the temperature of the surface to rise and browning chemical reactions to take place. Some bread bakers want to add steam at the beginning of baking to promote starch gelatinization for a specific type of crust. They report it is much more difficult to keep added steam in a gas oven. Baking is a complex interaction of variables so it is difficult to make hard and fast rules because you only have to change one or two of the variables and get a different result. Some bakers say that cakes don’t rise as well if they had an electric oven and go to gas. Sometimes they say gas produces a dry looking cake. This again has to do with starch gelatinization being prolonged in an electric oven giving a little longer rise. This doesn’t mean you can’t bake in gas. I think some recipes work well in gas and over the years, you keep recipes that work and discard those that don’t. Cake mixes are formulated to work in different conditions so work with both. Things with more sugar may also show more difference. Eveness in baking is tricky. That’s what everybody wants. Convection is marketed as the answer to even heat but it can make air currents that make hot spots. The fan is drying to the surface of what you are baking or roasting so that part browns quicker if it gets exposed to an air current. Some companies try to fix that by having two fans, baffles or a reversing fan. Some ovens have a variable speed fan. The fan does change the direction of heat so that it comes from more directions instead of the bottom. Many recipes for cakes and pies were developed with the heat coming from the bottom. There are very expensive electric ovens that don’t have it right and my DILs Bosch gas oven is pretty good. My Electrolux oven is pretty even but has other problems. Aside from the the nature of the heat, electric ovens can have more control. They may have a third element (true or European convection) and direct heat from the top or bottom, more from the top for roasting. A few gas ovens may have these features now. They can have very tight control of temperature, maybe +/- 2F but I’m not sure how much that matters. More important to me is the range of temperature. My current oven has 80-450F and the fan can blow with the heat off or up to 450F. Some ovens only go as low as 225F. Both of my ovens have slow or fast fan speed. I know bakers that use gas and electric. Some commercial ovens have steam injectors and ventilators to control humidity. Gas broilers come come in two forms, the first is a conventional one that doesn’t get that hot. There are also gas infrared broilers that heat evenly and get hot but might be smaller....See Moregas vs electric oven side by side tests?
Comments (5)I don’t have a video or even pictures but my sister and I bake the same oatmeal cookies, the vanishing oatmeal cookie recipe from the top of the Quaker Oats box. We both use the same ingredients and pans but she bakes them in a gas oven and I use electric. We have probably baked these 100s of times and mine are thicker and chewy while hers are thin and crispy. Both are good, but they are different. “ I think people have also said that gas is a more moist heat than electric” This was sort of what was taught for many years based on the idea that gas gives off water as a byproduct of combustion. Capital even had the chemical equation on their website at one time. No one was considering the oven as a whole or what moisture was being produced by the food cooking which can produce 100% humidity. it is a very ingrained belief and will still see this on manufacturers websites and it is still being taught by some chefs. There are some videos on YouTube that say this. I’ve heard Alton Brown say this too, so it can get a little confusing. Rather than argue whether one or the other has more humidity, the most important thing is to look at what people say happens to food. These statements show how gas vs electric ovens relate to cooking. You could stop there but if you want to know what is happening as far as humidity, in the last ten years there has been an explosion of information in understanding the science of cooking. If you read about the Maillard reaction, you will see what is required to make that happen. I would strongly consider researching this yourself if it is important and see what makes sense. Don’t take my word for it. These are some of the comments you hear over and over on cooking, baking and even appliance forums. If if you read the fresh loaf forum, people who add huge amounts of steam to a gas oven comment how quickly the added steam leaves the oven. There are threads on how to add large amounts of steam and some people use a cloche for baking bread. This happens because gas ovens require a much larger vent to allow the products of combustion to escape. People complain about the heat and moisture being released into the kitchen compared to an electric oven. Bread bakers want the steam because it produces a certain type of crust because steam promotes starch gelatinization. Beside adding steam, just the steam from what is baking can promote starch gelatinization in cakes or muffins if it stays in the oven. This gives a little longer time period for rising. Baking is complex though and there are recipes that work perfectly well in a gas oven. I think you notice more if you are changing from one type of oven to the other. I have read over time several bakers comment that their cakes did not rise as well in a gas oven. I’ve seen it go the other way where somebody commented that the electric oven had too much moisture. If you read the BS manual about gas ovens, they mention that a gas oven will have condensation on the window initially, but as it heats, it disappears. People say that gas ovens brown brown better and meat is moist. If you read about the browning reactions(Maillard is one), you will find that you must have superficial drying so that the temperature of the surface can rise enough for the browning reactions to take place. This is true if you are stir frying, searing meat in a skillet or roasting in an oven. As long as you have moisture evaporating, it has a cooling effect. Gas has more air moving through, removing both products of combustion and moisture from what is cooking. I’ve seen articles written that say “gas ovens have moist heat so things might not brown as well” but in actual cooking and baking forums people say the opposite. Why is meat moist? It is complex but the amount of water remaining in the meat fibers is dependent on the internal temperature of the meat. External moisture will not help that. This explains what happens at different temperatures. Also read “Amazing Ribs” website. j Kenji Lope-Alt has also written about this subject. https://blog.thermoworks.com/beef/coming-heat-effects-muscle-fibers-meat/ Many people judge meat’s doneness by its appearance. If your meat isn’t browning as well, it stays longer in the oven until it gets “done” in appearance. It can be very over cooked and dried out by the time it looks “done”. Gas heat browns faster so looks done faster Leaving the inside not over cooked. I use a thermometer any time I cook meat. Looking at electric ovens, if you add a convection fan, this accelerates the rate of heat transfer so is drying and promotes browning in those ovens giving them a little more flexibilitY. Convection is a whole other topic as to what it does in baking. There is a professional baker that I read about that uses electric ovens for cakes at home and bakes standard bake the first half and then opens the door briefly to let the steam out and flips the fan on to get more browning. I do that when I think of it. The ovens with the most control of the cooking environment are combi ovens. If you read the use and care manuals for Gaggenau and Miele, you can learn a lot about what levels of humidity are beneficial at what stages of baking and roasting. They talk about the fact that a cake baking provides enough steam, that it is equivalent to the 30% setting. The down side is that they are smaller than many 30” ovens. Next would be electric ovens that have multiple directions of heat and fan speeds. There are a few gas ovens trying to do this too. These vary tremendously so even if you did have a video to show the difference in a particular gas and electric oven, it would only be a good comparison for those two ovens....See More- 10 years ago
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