Yes! We got it sorred out. So it turned out to be a loose circuit breaker. It was the new sub panel put in for our kitchen reno. We had some electrical work done and hired an electrician tonadd some recessed lighting. He ran it back to the new subpanel and he comes up from the basement nd asks if we were having problems with the stove. I said yes. He said he noticed the breaker wasnt seated properly. It was making a connection but just barely. He popped it out and popped it back in and sure enough I went and ran that oven at 500 for an hour with no issues. The cause imo was the weak current was causing the computer to think there was a fan issue. An anomaly. Want to say we have since moved and it was a relief to be able to have that taken care of. I will buy Thermdor again! They did send us a new range (after repeated service calls). So would so donit again

I have a Bosch dual fuel range (slide in) that is about 1" away from the wall/backsplash. I have never noticed it sticking out until I read this and then went to look, lol. It does, but if I've never noticed it, it doesn't bother me. The range itself is about 2 1/2" out from the base cabinetry. But I know what you mean if you want the 24" deep Thermador look. Personally, I would invest in an integrated refrigerator, using money saved from the Thermador and/or GE. The refrigerator is a much larger appliance and it's "sticking out" is more obvious than the counter height range. ("Counter depth" refrigerators also stick out; only fully integrated are flush.) I have 18" between the range and the next full height bank of cabinetry which includes a flush Thermador microwave/convection oven. The cabinetry sticks out 1" from the countertop and 2" from the 18" base cabinet farther than it should, a custom construction error I don't want to talk about. But that would be about the same as the space between your refrigerator and range if both "stick out." That 18" is good enough for my small Keurig and that's about it. It also has wall cabinetry above it because I used a hidden Zephry Pisa undercabinet range hood, so I don't have the "open" look you'll get from your range hood. That 18" of usable space is the same, however. We don't cook much at all (I hate it). I've had a Thermador dual fuel range and now this Bosch. Years ago, when I did have to cook, I had GE Monogram wall ovens and glass cooktop. Other than much preferring the gas, I can't think of major differences between all of them, or being unhappy with any of them.

Same manufacturer, different levels. My Bosch DW just passed about a year ago at age 14. My good friend and long time consultant loves her all Bosch kitchen from 2000. I've installed many Thermador kitchens since the early 2000s and columns 2005-2016 and mostly Bosch DWs since 1996. Latest clients chose others (Wolf/Subzero/Kitchen Aid) but that's mostly personal choice and previous good experiences. Thermador has more recognition for higher end kitchens.

I completely agree with Patricia’s point about making sure you have service in your area. Every brand of appliance will, if it is serviceable and not disposable, (like some of them are these days ), need to be serviced at some point during its useful life. If you decide to purchase one of the luxury brands such as those you are looking at, just remember to investigate not only the geographical availability of repair service but also the.QUALITY of the customer service that the manufacturer has. While certainly not perfect, Subzero-Wolf is known for exceptional customer service; going above and beyond for the customer. I’ve had the same high standards experience with my Apple digital products, which is one of the reasons I pay a super premium for Apple. Thermador makes some compelling products just like Subzero does, and their price point reflects this, but their customer service leaves much to be desired. When I spend that much money on any appliance, I very much appreciate being treated well by the manufacturer when an issue of service inevitably does present itself if you own an appliance long enough. Just remember how much your own time is worth to you when you reach out to a service centre that may give you less than a 30 minute wait at the most to speak to someone(Subzero), or you’re waiting for two hours, having your call dropped, or leaving messages with no call returned because the customer service is so poor with the vast majority of appliance brands out there. High quality customer service is not cheap and running call/support centres with highly trained reps is a big investment, which almost every appliance manufacturer no longer budgets for at a premium level. Even Miele, according to the number of posters here on the forums, has slipped in the quality of their customer care, and this is not because they don’t know how to administer high standards of service. They have done this, to reduce their costs. One of the things you pay for with something like a Subzero is the support behind the brand. I don’t know the official number of years, but Subzero keeps parts available for repair of their appliances for longer than most brands. after they discontinue a model. Thermador, being owned by Bosch, is far less supportive with a model that is out of production. This matters because when you pay a premium price for a luxury brand, one of the benefits you “should” be getting is longer service life, along with the specific features that compelled you to purchase that appliance in the first place. Also, the cost of storing and warehousing parts for appliances affects a company’s bottom line.. When a manufacturer no longer sells a specific model, they are no longer motivated these days to keep parts for that model for very long. All appliance manufacturers do this kind of “sunsetting“ on their spare parts, production, and Bosch is notorious for running out of spare parts so fast, it’s hard to believe they had much of an inventory, even when a specific model was still in production. The pandemic, not withstanding, it is extremely unscrupulous for manufactures to not keep parts available for appliance models for more than a bare minimum amount of time after they are sold. It is one of the most unsustainable things these producers do, and it accelerates “the march to the landfill“ for all of these new appliances we purchase. There are some countries in Europe that are initiating “right to repair laws“ that start to specify, at least a minimum standard of time that manufactures are required to support the repair of products they sell, whether it be appliances, or any other manufactured consumer product. So, I ramble and say all of this to suggest that, if you were going with one of these two brands, I would choose the Subzero hands-down!!