It shows up darker and clearer if you click to open the picture. We are going with white shaker cabinets.

Not sure exactly where in the peninsula she has the range. The peninsula is 9 ft. and range is 36". That gives us 6 feet for counter and cabinets around the range. They are also putting cabinets on both sides of the peninsula. The backside would hold mostly our things for entertaining and our "better" dishes that we rarely use.

It might be more helpful to draw your design to scale on graph paper. I would not want a range in the peninsula and certainly would never want downdraft ventilation - having actual ventilation that works well was a major perk of doing a kitchen reno for me! Swapping sink and range would get rid of this problem. Or at least doing a real island hood if you really want a range on the peninsula. I agree the L by the range is weird, and only leaves you with 1.5' on either side of the range. It seems like the space would be much easier to use if it was just a peninsula as Stan said. This would also allow you to use the MW and oven at the same time, whereas now you will have to be standing in front of the range to use the MW which seems very inconvenient.

Can you post your full floor plan? Also what you had before? This is not it.

Here is the plan with changes

I agree. No cooktop on peninsula. Flip it with the sink and dw

I would put an island style hood in if you are putting the range on the peninsula. Downdrafts do not work very well.

Can you swap the small pantry and coat closet at the front for a single pantry that opens toward the dining room?

This plan is no better than before. A major walk way to a main exterior door and the laundry room, bisects your primary kitchen work space.

I have an idea, I can try to draw out tonight, but I need to know... Are you willing to give up the banquette?

Hi benjesbride! I could switch out the small pantry and coat closet. As you know, I love our banquette area. I love all the natural morning light that comes in those windows (they face east) But, I'll be flexable and let's see what you come up with. Go for it, maybe I will have a change of heart.

I think the banquette is the elephant in the room and agree with benje that you might need to give it up. What is the height of the windows by the banquet?

This plan really is bad. Sorry.

I'm sorry to ask again--I know Buehl asked in the other thread--but can you tell us what these three dimensions (red, yellow, blue) are? I'm still confused regarding these. If I'm gonna wrestle with kitchen planning software I want to make sure I'm working with the right numbers.

red is 18'

yellow is 22'

blue is 10 1/2 feet

I love how you can draw on pictures! Do you have a special program that allows you to do that?

Thanks!

It's MS Paint. It's very easy and helps a lot of us communicate in pictures what would take paragraphs to describe in words.

For the record, it's breaking my heart a little bit that you're losing your dining room window, that dutch door and possibly your banquette in this plan :-(

Something's off about your dimensions. It doesn't look like the blue line (banquette) is 7.5 feet shorter than the red line.

Sorry- red is 15'

blue is 12'

Sorry about that

Here's a run at what you can do without the banquette. Sink under a large front window, a cooktop and exhaust hood centered between the two side windows would make a nice focal point from the living and dining, island seating for 4-5 would have a nice view out of the windows as well. To me, the advantages are that your clean up area is tucked out of view from the front door and the walkway from the laundry/mudroom/backdoor doesn't cut through the kitchen at all.

You could put a prep sink in the island, but I think it's optional. The more I cook, the more I realize what a mess I make having an aisle between the sink and the stove.

Can that front closet/pantry structural support area be turned into a window seat? The area near the back door could serve as coat storage and there's plenty of pantry space elsewhere in the kitchen.

View from approximately the entrance:

View from approximately the bottom of stairs/dining table:

View from the mudroom:

Wow! That does look very nice! I will definitely have to think long and hard about this. It's a great plan. How big is the island? Also, I have a window seat already on the south wall in the living room. I do love window seats. I'm having one built in our bedroom that we are building upstairs as well.

As drawn, that Island is 77" (dining-range) by 65" (mudroom-front of house.)

you have room for a piece of furniture or cabinetry on the back (laundry room) wall, I just didn't draw anything in. A console table with a mirror reflecting the nice light from your window might look pretty there.

note: you can't have drawer base cabinets under a seating overhang. Whoops. It was late :-)

Also, I think there was an error in your yellow line dimension, so I guessed it to be closer to 17 feet rather than 22.

So, with the laundry space still only being 8' x 5 1/2 feet will there be enough room not to be cramped. I had the architect add a window so it wouldn't feel so closed in. I am thinking open shelves instead of cabinets. I am planning on a top loader. I love the look of the front loaders but I have heard about issues with them. I was really hoping to have a place to fold closthes, but I'm guessing I can only do that if I use a front loader. Any ideas?

Bneje's plan is night and day better than all the others. And did you really need three places to dine? In the poor plan the KD came up with, you had the seating at the peninsula, your banquet seating and the dining table. I would think two places would be plenty.

One question. Am I correct that the wall between the kitchen and the laundry room is a support wall and can't be moved?

Can you confirm the length of that yellow kind above. I'm still unsure of the space you're working with.

Yellow is 18' Sorry, I must've been blurry eyed when I measured.

cpartist-the wall can be taken back as far as the laudry chute. Talked with the builder and he sad that from the laundry chute back is structural.

Ok I'm such a visual person I figured it's better I ask with the picture. The green line I indicated. How far in the direction of the arrow can you move that wall? If you can move it?

The green line is structural so I'm not sure that it can be moved the direction of the cooktop.

Sheila F. we have an LG front loader and it's great, so much better than our previous toploader. Very quiet and efficient. (And regards space, we are having NO laundry, our WM will be in a cabinet in the kitchen! ) So your space would be enough I'm sure

The designers plans all look the same. It's horrible, but I think we've already covered the reasons why...

Major traffic path bisects the primary cooking area (between range and sink), range that's in a peninsula, refrigerator that is buried in the back (it's best to have the fridge at the kitchen entrance from the living space for less congestion in the kitchen proper)

i can't take the time to draw it out and I'm don't know that you're open for suggestions, but the only solution I can come up with from here is that you put the washer/dryer on the exterior/driveway wall to the right of the back door and make the laundry room a hall way that takes you from the back door right next to the stairs. I don't know what your dimensions are off the top of my head by retaining the banquette, so no detailed suggestions from there but at least your kitchen would not be a hallway. If the proposed laundry room became a hallway.

I'm not really clear on what has changed. It really would be much nicer to have the range on an exterior wall so you could get rid of the soffits - that seems to be the number one change many people here want to make in their kitchen remodel!

I hate soffits! I had every soffit in the house torn out in this redo. Why would she want to add them? Not a good plan.

I tried something on my phone during the kids' swim lesson, so it's not my best work, but... Instead of a peninsula out from the laundry room wall, what about a peninsula out from the present sink window. No counter seating.

I'm wondering if there's enough room to have the fridge on the laundry room wall, a 39" peninsula with sink and DW facing the banquette and still have enough aisle space...

Benjisbride-Thank you for taking the time to draw this up. I'm fine with not having seating at the peninsula This is an interesting thought- do you think it would chop up the room or make it inconvenient to get food to the banquette-this is where we always eat. Clean up would sure be easy this way though with the sink right there.

Has demo started? You could stack some boxes there during a mealtime and see how it feels.

How many inches between the edge of the banquette's table and the edge of the sink window?

and how many inches from table edge to laundry room wall?