As drawn, when you have the sink on the side wall, your dishwashers are only about a foot wide, so do you really have room for them?

I have already said in previous threads that I don't like the fridge on the side wall if the sink is there...It crowds the cleanup area too much, I think. I do like it there if the sink is up by the windows.

If you have it on the side wall, I'd think about shortening your range wall back up so you can have that entry view you were worried about, or put tall cabs on each end of the stove run or something, because I think excessive counter leads to clutter collection...and I think that without the fridge on the stove wall it looks like you have re-e-eally long counterspace to each side, then the island prep space, too. Enough counter is great, but too much is not necessarily any better...Just more to get dusty or, like I said, get stuff left on it.

I'm not sure about having the cleanup area in the traffic pattern coming from the garage and mud room. Seems like a potentially bad idea, but, on the other hand, it makes a good place for those tasks to stay out of the work area and helps create nice options for the kids' tasks and multiple kitchen workers. It also gives you the nice view from both windows, like you'd been hoping for.

All things considered, unless someone else comes up with some good points to change my mind, I think if it were my kitchen, I'd go with the last plan, but with the fridge on the stove wall. My 2nd choice is to have the sink up by the windows, heavily depending on the amount, frequency,and timing of traffic through that spot.

Also, in a kitchen this size, and with the entertaining you indicated that you do, I'm all for fitting in the 2 dishwashers on either side of the sink if you can, like you show in one of your plans.

Not sure I'd want to be carrying dirty pots and pans all the way across the kitchen to the clean up sink over by the french doors. Seems like there could be lots of dripping along the way. I also agree with rhome, it seems very squeezed by the clean up sink. So, while it's not been my first choice, I too would suggest moving the frig over to the range wall. Then I would center the clean up sink on that side wall with the 2 DW's.

Also, I prefer the look with the french doors in the middle.

Do you dishwasher wash or hand wash your pots and pans? So many people hand wash them, so if that's the case, I'd just make sure the prep sink was large enough...But I agree with that Malhgold's point is a good one.

Zelmar has an interesting setup that I really like and think would be useful. She says it is...She handwashes pots, pans, knives, and other cooking tools, so has her larger sink in the prep area and a prep-sized sink by her dishwasher, which is far out of the work zone, much like yours by the window...It's just meant for dishes and silverware.

Here is a link that might be useful:

Tiny little thing that I just saw - where there the entry door to the pantry exists in the kitchen, consider having the door open into the pantry or be a pocket door.

I'm letting everybody else talk about specific appliance placement - I already said too much on that topic laughing.

Bmorepanic, as if Malhgold and I didn't say enough already, too? :-) Maybe we should all back off and let her get input from other people, or was that your hint? LOL. We see a name and layout we recognize and jump right back in...

No, no hints involved. I'm a fan of both of you guys' comments. I hope it didn't sound that way.

I have had allergy stuff really bad for the last few weeks and all of my brain cells are dead, may they get some peaceful rest!

You 3 are too funny-I think you are all agreeing now so maybe that will be my tie breaker and the fridge will be moved with the oven!

Rhome, . 2 DW's I may consider 1 1/2 and put a drawer in by the prep sink or by the clean up sink. I do hand wash my pots as I only have 1DW now and with 3 kids it fills up with cups and cereal bowls,plates quickly.
Malhgold,That would be awkward carrying large pots to the far sink -not ideal.
bmorepanic-I like the idea of the pocket door!
One of the KD did feel it was tight when the sink and fridge were together.So she moved it next to the oven! This means extending the wall (which is fine!) to 12' to accomodate the 36" oven and the 48" fridge.

Here is a photo (this is a prelimin. freebie design so they have not had much input yet on any specifics re. cabintets)

She also drew up the other areas but the 1st round of drawings did not have the larger french doors and some other things we are looking to do (one level island and wet bar will have a small bev.fridge-not the large one shown here!)

Thanks for all the votes! And for the extra input on the DW and the french door placement.
Anxious to see all this drawn out better now.I hope it doesn't appear crammed -we certainly have a lot of floor space so I hope we are using it ok. I know it is difficult without making use of the back(yard) wall.

Looks great!

I just realized why at the time the 1st drawing with the sink on the back wall was an option we considered -I posted the wrong one -it should have had the fridge and oven switched from what I had in the drawing ( ie. sink on back, oven on side, fridge where the oven is) so the distance from oven to sink was closer. But I gather this still isn't an ideal layout-perhaps the 3 appliances are too spread out around the 3 sides of the island. (and isn't balanced-too heavy on the right side again!-I am listening to suggestions!)

Will continue as planned... oven/fridge share the wall, sink on side wall, and french doors centered with small wet/snack station on the sides of it.

Another question....Assuming we go with layout #3 or #4 in the first post above, does the MW need to be closer to the fridge? Should this go in the island across from the range or can we leave it back in the bar/snack area? I want it low somewhere low for the kids to access. THANKS! I

If you keep what the kids need in the undercounter fridge in the bar area, the microwave should be fine there. If you are keeping what they'll need for the micro in the main fridge, it should be close to that one.