Is this Belle of Portugal
Mary Shane
7 years ago
Is this the rose 'Belle of Portugal'? It is a climber, grown from a cutting from a historical home in California. Thanks for any help with this ID!
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Comments (20)Thank you everyone. Ingrid I am in seventh heaven. I'm still going to have to be careful with watering. Kippy I actually used to have an open garden party every year. It's a huge amount of work that I can't do by myself anymore.We are now working with a charity that sponsors an orphanage in Haiti. They put on the open garden last year and want to do it every other year. Sidos, there is an article in Rosa Mundi(published by the Heritage Rose Foundation) this year about the ramblers. I plant them as I do other roses, grown up into a 5 gallon pot. I fertilize with pelleted chicken manure and feather meal with compost on top. Some are freestanding some on fences. Others we built rebar supports. Don't put Climbing Gruss An Achen on a pillar as i did. It grows like you wouldn't believe....See MoreIs this how tea roses look?
Comments (34)That's much of the confusion, catspa. We're all so used to the bolt, upright HT growth, which is a product of the Hybrid Perpetual influence, when we see how Chinas and Teas generate their mounds of growth, we're lost, confused and frightened SOMETHING is awfully wrong. But, it's just what they DO. I cringe thinking how many wonderful old Teas and Chinas have been butchered to death because the person holding the chainsaw had no idea. There is a small public garden in an historic home site here in this valley. A dear friend and her husband took on the restoration of that garden as their retirement project. There were massive old Teas which had been there for decades as well as quite a few they added. The couple would spend fall through spring here with summers in their Colorado cabin. The local rose society contacted "Parks and Wreck" with the request to hold their annual pruning demonstration in that garden. They "helped". Imagine a six by six foot Rosette Delizy "exhibition pruned" as you would a Veteran's Honor to produce three, ten inch flowers. The bush never recovered its former glory. Some actually died outright. It can be quite surprising discovering how much more heat tolerant these things become once they mature. A foot tall plant has roots about that long and they suffer from temperatures drastically. Let it become a six foot mound and not only is the ground shaded by its mass, providing it insulation from reflected heat and the roots from hot soil, but the whole plant absorbs the heat, dissipating it throughout the mass, permitting the flowers the protection they require not to fry. A six foot plant has roots much deeper into the cool, damp soil with a much larger root mass to take up the water the plant needs. They eventually become quite "thrifty", which is what has helped them survive in many abandoned and neglected spots. Kim This post was edited by roseseek on Tue, Apr 9, 13 at 14:29...See MoreWhat is your favorite house swallower?
Comments (30)the first couple wouldn't swallow a house but perhaps one side of a garage 'Crepescule' can grow to be 20 feet tall and more, and unlike many climbers it has excellant re-bloom. It's an apricot-golden color with red at its' base and quite fragrant. The foliage is attractive. If you love yellow roses; 'Marechal Niel' is a marvel to behold and deeply fragrant. It re-bloom well and is in full bloom today on April 5th. I'm growing mine between two purple 'Royal Robes' it blooms more often than an average Hybrid Tea, here. R. gigantea odorata at Berkeley Botanical garden in California blooms in early spring with several hundred charming saucer sized pale golden rose blossoms, , it is climbing a tree with great enthusiasm. I've espaleried a Mermaid to keep her within bounds, against a wooden fence in my back yard. I have an Albertine too, and it has splendid large pink and salmon blooms and c. 33% re-bloom in the autumn on mature plants. For Ramblers, I'm devoted to 'The Garland' with its millions of palest pink, tiny dainty roses with pert squared-off petals that offered a sweet pervasive scent that surrounds the plant like a cloud of bliss. I'd love a 'Silver Moon' but where to plant it? my neighbors backyard on a moonless night? White Lady Banks is one of my 3 favorite white roses, I once lived where the rose garden was surrounded by a low fence where those beautiful white roses bloomed all over it in spring. Oh what joy. there is such a variation between bloom shape and character between white roses, and this one thrills me down to my toes. I was at Berkeley Horticultural nursery today and took a whiff of 'Snowflake', another member of the Banksiae and was pleased with its' sweet and moderately strong scent. I don't know how big this gets. Lux...See MorePlease help w/ identification
Comments (17)Looking up Meg again, it gets 8-13 feet, while crazy chemist said his rose was 20 feet tall. Meg sure looks like his rose, though. The time frame for a cross between rosa gigantea and Madame Butterfly would be about right. She was bred in 1918. The info on Schoener said he made lots of crosses. There was another man working with R. Gigantea in Santa Barbara before Schoener. Here's what I copy-pasted about him. "The honor of bringing R. gigantea into the United States belongs to the late Dr. Franchesci Fenzi, a native of Florence, who died a few years ago in Tripoli. Dr. Franchesci, as he was known to his friends, maintained a garden in Santa Barbara for more than a quarter of a century, and introduced a great many valuable foreign plants into southern California. According to his son, Camillo Franchesci Fenzi, R. gigantea was imported by his father directly from India about 1904. In the American Rose Annual of 1921, page 175, he is erroneously credited with being the originator of Belle of Portugal. The fact is that, having contact with all the leading horticulturists in the world, he imported Belle of Portugal from the Lisbon Botanical Garden, where it was originated in 1905 from a cross between the old Tea rose, Souvenir de Mme. LÂonie Viennot, and R. gigantea. From Dr. Franchesci's garden in Santa Barbara, Belle of Portugal gradually found its way over California and into other southern states. Dr. Franchesci produced a few Gigantea hybrids. His Montecito and Montariosa are the two best known to me. Both are seedlings of R. moschata by R. gigantea, and both show very dominantly the musk character." It sure would be fun to get your hands on a 1930's road map of that 98 miles from Santa Barbara to South Hoover street and snoop around. Me, I never get to go everywhere. Mike, the creeks are running higher than I've seen in five years. Might be some good fishing this year. Here's what it says about the breeder for Madame Butterfly. Here is a link that might be useful: Hill...See More
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