How wide does Poseidon get, and can I control the height of a rose?
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Comments (13)Welllll . . . Neglect and ignorance, more like. When I tell you that I walked around that garden, and even Scott Klittich (who was there) told them re. that formerly giant R. eglantaria: "Tell them to stop trimming and start watering." They WANT the roses to be showy. Yet, they don't get water to them. They WANT some of the roses to date back to the original family -- the del Valle's ... But when roses that did date back, and which were in terrible condition, were pointed out to them, they were unimpressed. The suggestion that: "If you pour a gallon or so of water on their roots every week or so, they might survive." met with NO interest at all. That's when I left. I have not come so close to completely losing my temper for a good 50 years....See MoreMisting Propagation - How to...? Where can I find...? How much...?
Comments (1)there is a plant propogation book i have wherein the author describes his own mist system. that author has a large black coil of hose in the roof of his greenhouse so that water can be heated before reaching the mist nozzles. that's at least one vote for using warm water and keeping the cuttings reasonably warm as they root. just thought i would toss that in! lol. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: mosaic z8 LA (My Page) on Sun, May 11, 03 at 11:59 With such a setup you could probably root roses under mist all winter here in Louisiana. And then as an added bonus, you could save on your power bills all summer by using it to steam your veggies :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: tammyinwv z6/WV (My Page) on Sun, May 11, 03 at 16:05 i have been unable to find the mist heads even within an hr from my home.Someone mentioned here they found them for .50 each.would anyone be willing to get me a couple and mail them? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: wild_garden virginia z6b (My Page) on Sun, May 11, 03 at 16:32 at my lowes store the mist heads where in the indoor gardening area next to the register, i doubt the people at lowes would have even know what to look for. it was with the drip irrigation supplies, as i said in the indoor gardening area next to the big outdoor area where they sell trees and things. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mist heads supply source Posted by: RoseHawke 7b AL (My Page) on Mon, May 12, 03 at 10:37 For you folks that haven't been able to find the heads locally, try going to this site: Dripworks or here's a direct link to one of the pages with some heads:Misters . I just a couple of weeks ago ordered some irrigation supplies from them and received them quite quickly. About 4 days if I remember correctly. Haven't had a chance to put it together yet, which is probably just as well as the flood we had last week would've probably washed everything down the creek ;-). I also have the Melnor timer, and it does seem a bit confusing about its ability to do a mist cycle, but what you're doing is programing it to do one cycle (on in the am; off in the pm) and punching in a choice of watering pattern, in this case the off for 10" on for 2" pattern. I believe the idea behind the pattern was/is actually to help prevent water run-off when doing overhead watering by allowing the water to soak in between the on phases. I bought this particular timer though because when I looked at it my mind said "Ah! Mist!" (heh), even though the reason I bought it at the time was to keep a new patch of zoysia sod watered until it rooted in. My batteries did last all season last year, but it was only opening that valve 4x a day for 3 weeks, and then 1x every 4 days for a couple of months. I can see where a misting pattern of opening and closing that valve many times during the day may eat batteries, but as ShamanSherpa pointed out, it's still cheaper than a $100+ misting timer! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: patclem z7 (or 6) TN (My Page) on Fri, May 23, 03 at 8:32 Regardless of how much water it wastes, etc, I decided to experiment with misting. I am TERRIBLE at rooting cuttings. I've tried baggies. I've tried jars. I've tried special cutting trays with plastic domes. I've had one rooted cutting out of probably 50. I had the same problem finding true super-fine mist systems in the south. None at Lowe's, none at HD. They're not popular here because they don't have the same evaporating effect they have in less humid areas of the country - they make you wet here. Here's where I found mist heads. They didn't charge me anything for shipping. They were super-good to deal with online. Web Page - Phone/Fax 888-693-0578 Local/Fax (719) 495-2266 Qty: 4; Sku: 6W401; Product: Monarch Misting Nozzles M-1; Amount: $7.40 Qty: 4; Sku: 6W519; Product: Reducing Tee for Monarch Misting Nozzles; Amount: $4.40 You have to go to Lowe's or local hardware store and get a hose adapter, timers, 1/2" PVC, PVC caps, etc. I have mine set up with 2 mist heads, and about a 6' diameter section of my grass is soaked! I don't have mine on a timer yet. Results? I don't have any yet, except none of my cuttings have turned black yet. PS - I AM NOT AFFILIATED WITH THIS BUSINESS IN ANY WAY! Here is a link that might be useful: Mist Heads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: fuselighter 7/WA (My Page) on Thu, May 29, 03 at 21:41 I am so excited about the misting bed. I went out and bought all the supplies today. Total cost was about $15 (my husband had PVC and elbows left over from installing the sprinkler system). I would like to go to an intermittent system eventually, but for now I am going with continuous. The water bill is not an issue because we have an irrigation system (there is an annual fee but it is not based on usage). I set the whole thing up in about an hour. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: debbinard Z4CO (My Page) on Sun, Jun 1, 03 at 10:54 Shamansherpa -- I could not open your picture! I live in Colorado, it gets very warm middle of June (up to upper 90's) and stays low humidity. We are on outsidewater restrictions 2xweek, so I'm not sure this method would fly. Am wondering how visible this is, or if inside is an option under lights. At any rate, I would like to propigate some rose cuttings now (is this a good time?) My daughter in law is moving and would love some plants from a rose with sentimental value. Is the rooting hormone used just the usual or special for roses? Thanks Deb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: mytrid Zone8b Florida (My Page) on Sun, Jun 1, 03 at 13:48 Deb, Maybe you could call your water extention office and see if you can get special permission, exsplain to them how little water it uses. Yes you use rooting hormone, there are many available. Dip and grow I here is supposed to be really good. I got some of the more exspensive stuff from a friend whom bought it threw rose imporium on line. But you can always use something like dip and grow. Deanna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: rose_enthusiast z7 TX. (My Page) on Sun, Jun 1, 03 at 15:47 Hi there Deanna! It seems to me you've managed to help a lot of people with your invaluable info. And I would like to thank you for inspiring me to start a misting bed to root my cuttings. I have one question to add to the many others you've been getting though... What rose company is it that you get your rooting hormone from? Is it Rose Emporium or the Antique Rose Emporium? I would like to purchase this product as well, since you and this company are using this to successfully root your cuttings. Thanks Again, Carlos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: mytrid Zone8b Florida (My Page) on Tue, Jun 3, 03 at 1:31 Carlos, Thank you but we should all thank AngieAnders, she is the one who did all the research and work to discover this method and then post it here for us last year! She truly diserves all the credit. I just wanted to keep any new people aware that have just started rooting this year. Best of luck all and don't forget to post your sucess! Deanna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: epiphany z5b PA (My Page) on Tue, Jun 3, 03 at 9:28 I found the Arizona Mist system which is by Orbit as mentioned at Wal-Mart. It has 12' of tubing, end cap, six misting heads and hose adapter for $14.95. Of course, it is once again cold and wet here,......all of a balmy 56°. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: auntnana 6 TN (My Page) on Thu, Jun 5, 03 at 13:06 I ordered the misting heads mentioned above from Dripworks last year and they don't put out a fine mist as much as they do a fine spray/droplets. And even though I had a pressure regulator on there, I kept having a problem with the heads blowing off! (Their drippers work perfectly by the way so it's nothing against the company) I ordered foggers from Misty Mate this year and they put out a super fine fog. Perfect for propagation. They are a litte more expensive than the ones from Dripworks but worth it. And if you ask they will ship the misting heads for $1.50. I went to HD and bought a 10-24 tap and drill set (3.00) and drilled holes in my 1/2" cvpvc and the heads just screwed right in! I bought a Melnor timer at HD for $39 and it has 1 minute spray options so I've got it set for 1 minute every 10 minutes. Can't remember the model number but it's not the one on the HD website. I hope to finish my new propagation box soon. I built one on a stand this year so I can move it around easily. Wouldn't you know, HD has plastic sheeting made just for greenhouses that I used! It's not the real thick heavy stuff either. It's only 4mil and is crystal clear see-thru! Hopefully I'll be finished this week!...See MoreSummer Romance, Sweet Jane, Sunny Sky comments
Comments (27)Suebelle, did you decide to pick up any of these Kordes' roses? Summer Romance & Savannah arrived from Chamblee's a year ago. Potted on several times & pinched for shaping, they've bloomed once this season & are budding up again. (Unusually cool, cloudy & wet weather delayed the Spring flush in general.) With great fragrance, charming blooms & spotless foliage in this hot & humid no spray garden, both are throwing new basals & giving a good showing for such young roses here in the Upper South. Savannah is one of the Sunbelt Collection. http://newflora.com/kordes-roses/sunbelt-rose-collection/ Another of that group here a year from Chamblee's is Polar Express. Treated like the other two, it managed to slip several flushes by me last year in its eagerness to bloom. Haven't nipped any buds this year & it's swelling new buds as others are opening without pause. Good solid fragrance. Another I can highly recommend. Parfumas Summer Romance & First Crush in bud & bloom arrived at the local Lowe's in 2-gallon pots the 1st of April. Jam packed onto a long table, could only inspect some along the edges to find them grafted. After own roots, admired the enticing perfume of their generous bloom, but left them be, hoping own root examples would follow. Flowers of First Crush were not as pale as I'd thought from photos, a very appealing clear blush pink. A week later during a heat spike sans rain, visited again to find the half remaining in depressingly pitiful condition - dry & wilting from lack of watering, canes snapped & dying, likely from attempts to separate each from its neighbors for purchase in that overcrowded display. Found an own root First Crush in salvageable condition & put it in my cart, remarking to my husband I needed to speak to the manager. To hurry me along (lol), he took the rose, found & spoke to the manager & came back followed by an employee armed with a watering wand. Showing me the manager discounted the rose by half & he'd already paid for it, we left. First Crush cleaned up nicely. Watered well & left to soak overnight in a filled plant saucer, it drank every bit & looked gratefully relieved by morning. Parked in high shade & given simple care, managed to replace lost leaves & began to bud again. Nipped the first set of buds, but allowed it to bloom a few weeks later as it appeared fully recovered. In the meantime, I'd "rescued" another First Crush & a pair of Summer Romances, all own root 2-gallons, from a sale table at Lowe's that at least was exposed to plentiful rain. All rebounded with the same treatment. More Kordes own roots arrived at Lowe's a month ago, this time as 1-gallons in Forever & Ever branded pots. Very well grown, in bud & bloom priced @ $13, picked up trios of Eleganza hybrid teas Sunny Sky & Heart Song. Not actively searching for these two (unlike some others), found them very appealing in person & their fragrance nose-to-rose sealed the deal. Both repeat bloom rapidly so far even as youngsters. Sunny Sky shows apricot buds that open to a pastel yellow heart backed in apricot with buttercream edges. Heart Song is a lovely clear red without orange or blue tints. Both hold their color without fading till petal drop in temps of low 90's. (Kolorscape Lemon Fizz as the same brand & price merritted another trio, thanks to you, Patty, for your reports & photos! Lemon Fizz closes its petals in the evening, like some of the early singles & semidoubles, another charming aspect of its personality.) Greatly enjoying each of these unique personalities & finding them all "happy" roses - eager to grow & flower, humming right along. Very easy to grow, healthy, reliable roses....See Morecan you control height/habit of a rose?
Comments (7)It totally depends on the type of rose. There is basically nothing you can say about "a rose" as a generic term. The rose we are talking about is a modern hybrid tea rose. Those tend to grow vertically, with a vase shape if you are lucky, and a spindly shape if you are not. Most HTs have "bare legs", and do not leaf out at the bottom just because you shorten the top. That is why lots of people plant other plants in front of them, to hide this problem. The other solution is to purchase shrub shaped roses, which have been hybridized to not have this problem in the first place. Since you live in a warm climate, and the warm climate sources of info say that this particular rose gets very tall, I would believe them. Since it is a HT, and they do not mind "hard pruning", I think you could keep it at 4 feet by pruning it, but I do not think it would get fluffier at the bottom. It would just bloom on the upper 2/3rds of the bush. In your climate, it would also keep getting taller. Jackie...See Moreordphien
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