Thanks so much for the info. Sorry it took me a few days to reply, my work schedule has been a little insane... I had thought leaf spot was possible, but the beginning stage of this fungus was like nothing I could find (picture or description) describing Septoria. It looked like a black/brown dust (raised) was covering the undersides of the leaves- like someone held the plant upside-down and spilled soil on it :) If two of you think that's what it is, then it must be. I thought rust both because that was the ONLY fungus that looked even remotely similar and we had rust on a jasmine vine planted about 6 feet away in the flower bed (this tomato is potted so it does not share soil with any plants). The good news is- after an all out assault of (Safer) fungicide (every 4 days) and seaweed- the plant appears to be in recovery. A couple of the young tomatoes appear to be a bit deformed so I'm going to keep a close eye on it. The leaf loss was quite extensive, so I may have a problem with sun scald. (btw, in a couple of the photos you can see the whole plant behind me- it's the potted plant on the white stand). QUESTIONs: If I start using Fish Emulsion with the seaweed now will it encourage some more leaf production to help the sun scald problem? Or will any new leaf growth be effected by the fungus? The plant is potted so I have not grown anything in the soil before, it must have picked up the disease at the nursery. This is my ONLY potted tomato and I'm noticing a few spots on my other tomatoes (planted in a garden), if I catch this fungus early enough will it contaminate the soil? Sorry if it was unclear, all of my plants are outside (I brought my laptop out and used the camera built into it to take the pics- GO MAC!!!) Thanks again for all the posts, diagnosing this little fungus had truly been driving me crazy!

Thanks for these suggestions! One of my problems has been that there are simply so many roses that it's hard to narrow things down. Gemini seems a lot darker than my rose has ever gotten, so I don't think it's that one, but Moonstone seems possible. Sheer Bliss says it's a pink center with white outer while mine's the other way around... I think Moonstone's the closest so far, though I'm not completely convinced. And yeah, I've thought of trying to cut away the red one. The very first blooming I didn't realize it was there because of a sucker, I just couldn't figure out where there were two bushes... I'm new to rose-tending. And it was pretty. Knowing that now, I'm leery because of how incredibly thorny the cultivated one is and how intertwined they are. But I'm going to try. :)

I think what you are looking for as you described, could be S. rorida which I don't give out to strangers, or S. ehrenbergii which is definitely fan like, there is also S. canaliculata two forms, one of which comes up from the bottom, and the other a miniature which grows along the top of the soil, also S.intermedia, with a heavy brush like flower, close to the ground. I would like to find S. sordida with documentation, round leaves, but small, not heavy, growing fan shaped, which I just may have but not sure. S. Pearsonii is a great sturdy plant when an adult. Stucki creeps along the top of the soil, but does have a channel. I am also looking for S.lanuginosa. These are all old species that have been found a few hundred years ago. There are now several new species introduced. Norma

Go over to the NAME THAT PLANT forum first. There are a bunch of knowledgable people over there. As a footnote, I was in Afghanistan (US Army) in 2002-2003. Afghanistan has a rich agricultural heritage; unfortunately, much of that heritage had been lost due to Soviet and Taliban destruction/mismanagement. I'm told large seed banks of unique plants have been lost. I was told by an Afghan agricultural official that many provinces have melons that are unique to their area. I have eaten some of the melons they grow; unique and delicious. I would hope that someday we can get seed from some of these unusual plants so we may grow them in our gardens, and preserve some of that diversity for future generations.