Help...why do I not want my dishwasher next to the stove?

8 years ago

I can understand why that wouldn't work well for a family...don't want kids loading or unloading DW
while I'm standing at the stove cooking. But as this is one-person kitchen and
household and I'm unlikely to be simultaneously cooking and cleaning
up, maybe it's not an issue.

I have two new versions of my layout: One that gives me a highly
desirable long stretch of countertop, a lazy susan instead of a blind base
corner cabinet, the sink nicely centered in the peninsula and the DW in
close proximity to dish storage (mostly open upper shelves, but also one drawer
base.) The price is that the DW is next to the stove. The
other moves the DW to the right of the sink, but sacrifices the lazy
susan, snugs the sink up into the corner and moves the DW away from storage.

So, what am I missing?
Is it really dreadful for some reason to put the DW next to the stove?

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Jillius

8 years ago

last modified: 8 years ago

Have you considered this?

The fridge is recessed. That gives you a dishwasher that is both out of the way of your prep space and easily unloaded into one of the floor-to-ceiling cupboards. You also gain way more storage and a huge, uninterrupted work counter on the peninsula that can also act a buffet for your banquette. I would suggest not having the raised wall behind the peninsula so that peninsula counter can run right over the top of the pony wall and be as deep as possible. Like this:

This plan also eliminates having the sink around the corner from the prep counter. It's not a huge deal, but I have that in my kitchen currently, and it's annoying to keep turning back and forth between the two. Much nicer to have the sink and prep counter on the same, straight run.

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Buehl
8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago
Will you always be a one-person kitchen? You never have guests, an SO, or anyone else who ever helps out - now and in the future...

Do you need that seat on the end of the peninsula? I'm asking for a couple of reasons:

(1) Do you want someone sitting so close to splashing water - especially if you don't put the DW b/w the overhang and the seat?

(2) You have a banquette butted up against the peninsula (another issue, IMO - water splashes a lot when cleaning up - even over 6" high backsplash walls) - do you need that seat on the end of the peninsula if someone can sit more comfortably at the banquette?

That overhang is what's causing the issues you're describing.

Edited to add:

BTW...the overhang is too shallow by at least 4" - it should be 15" of clear knee/leg space, not 11" - which is what you have now. (1" is taken up by the decorative door/end panel on the end of the peninsulas, so 12" is really 12" - 1" = 11")
Kim Ladin
8 years ago
Honestly, I wouldn't worry about the centering issue. You've got all sorts of things it could be "centered" on, none of which seems visually compelling to me given what I can see of your layout.

I would say the biggest cost of your second layout is losing the lazy susan. So, is there a way you could take layout #2, scoot the sink over just enough to make room for the lazy susan on one side and the dishwasher on the other? Could the sink be narrower? Could you lose the overhang?
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This is one I made, using $16.00 brackets on my grandson's play center:

Another one, in my small guest room, installed for a laptop. I think the brackets are 50# capacity.

BTW, I prep over my DW. I moved the range across the kitchen to install a vented hood, but couldn't move the DW because of a doorway. The DW is rarely on while I'm prepping, and I have a big, deep sink where I deposit dirty dishes until prep is finished. If you can avoid having the DW between the sink and range, that's the most functional plan, but if it can't be avoided, it can still work. I love working in my kitchen. :)
spanishsunlover
Original Author
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Thanks for the feedback. The overhang is dispensable. I wanted it really for me, not a guest. I'm 62 and while I am perfectly happy standing to do all my prep work now, I can see the day coming when I'll be grateful to sit at a counter to do tasks that can be done sitting. And honestly, I just always like sitting at a counter...often work on my laptop at one now. But, it's a luxury, not a necessity, so that would perhaps be the best thing to sacrifice, moving the DW to the right of the sink in layout 1.

Any other issues, anyone sees?

As for the banquette backing up to the peninsula...that I think is a necessity. The apartment is very small ( about 500 sq. feet) and will mainly be occupied just by me. But I do have dinner guests and family and friends who visit . They'll sleep in the adjoining tiny apartment , but I want to be able to have sufficient dining space for at least 8 and the banquette, placed here, is the most space efficient way to do that.
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Design Loft Bracebridge
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In picture one, Is there a reason you can't place the small drawer bank to the right of the range and put the DW between it and the Lazy Su Cabinet?

Saying that, you do try to have the DW closer to the sink for plumbing purposes. Have you consulted a plumber to see if #1 picture is possible? Personally, I'm not a fan of having 2 appliances next to each other.
Jillius
8 years ago
I usually cook alone, and my dishwasher is in my prep area right now. I find it's always in the way. These are reasons why I might need the dishwasher while prepping/cooking. I'm listing them in case any of them might come up for you:

1) The dishwasher just ran a load. This is common if the kitchen is such a mess that I have to clean it up before I start cooking. It runs and finishes while I'm cooking, and then I would prefer to be able to open the dishwasher door and let the items in it finish drying/cooling down so I can unload in between cooking steps. That frees up the dishwasher to be loaded with the dishes I just created from cooking after I'm done.

2) I have a few minutes free while cooking and start cleaning up my cooking dishes -- I usually have most of the kitchen cleaned by the time I'm done cooking.

3) I forgot that some of the utensils I need for cooking are sitting in the dishwasher and have to open it to retrieve them.

Other considerations:
- The plan where your dishwasher is next to the cooktop also puts the dishwasher much farther from the sink and perpendicular to it . That is far less ergonomic for loading purposes and involves way more dripping on the floor than a dishwasher that is simply right next to the sink.
- You need space between the fridge and the wall to its left to allow the fridge door to open far enough for you to be able to get the fridge drawers out. Usually people do a 9-12" skinny pantry pullout between the fridge and wall.
- If you are not already planning for this, typically we recommend that your hood be 6" wider than the range (so a 36" hood for a 30" range). Steam/cooking fumes spread as they rise, so a slightly wider hood does a better job capturing it all.
- In lieu of a counter overhand, you might make the banquette top material something that could also serve as a counter -- butcher block, maybe -- for the times when you want to sit while you work. It'll be a much bigger work surface, so you can spread out, and people generally find table height seating more comfortable than counter height seating anyway.
sheloveslayouts
7 years ago
What are the dimensions across the dining/living? Have you considered doing just a single wall kitchen along that outside wall with a dining set floating betweenkitchen wall and sitting area furniture?
spanishsunlover
Original Author
7 years ago
Interesting idea, Benjesbride. I'll take a look at that and will post the layout for the entire apartment. One reason I instinctively went for the peninsula though (and one reason why I want it to be major work space) is that facing out of the kitchen working on it means I'd bee facing the floor to ceiling glass doors that look out onto the Mediterranean. No point in being in Spain if you're not gonna enjoy the views!
practigal
7 years ago
You should look up the installation instructions on the DW that you are thinking of buying. I think that from the sink wasteline to the wasteline on the dishwasher can be a maximum of 6 feet ( shorter is better) and that moving the DW over by the stove is going to be too far away. There are many ways to take advantage of a blind corner cabinet; the space at the back does not have to be unusable.
practigal
7 years ago
practigal
7 years ago
Great use of corners
Deedles kitchen
mama goose_gw zn6OH
7 years ago
last modified: 7 years ago
Reading about the view, I think cpartist's first suggestion in your previous thread is the best option. Since you've decided against an overhang, this is similar:

ETA, I love the pull-out board that practigal posted! I've also seen shallow
drawers that had an integrated board that covered the contents of the
drawer--maybe one could be used in the cabinet to the right of the range.
cpartist
7 years ago
In the blind corner, I'd create a cabinet that opened on the other side of the banquette.
sheloveslayouts
7 years ago
Heres a small apartment with single wall kitchen:

mango design co · More Info

a pretty example

Islington Flat Refurbishment · More Info