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Bread baker looking for new propane range
Comments (11)Convection for bread has always been good when following the procedure described by Barryv. I did a decade and something with baking multiple bread loaves per week in a GE Profile DF range with a convection oven. It worked well for most kinds of breads including baguettes provided the oven was cleaned regularly and fully preheated. (And fully preheated means half an hour, at least, and not what the phony preheat indicators tells you). I'm currently baking in the gas-convection oven of an NXR range and have found it seems to give me a little better control over crust development than I had with the GE -- again, following the steam and then convection procedure. As for oven depths, one thing would be checking out the detailed specs on sites such as AJ Madison and Lowe's as well as the manufacturer sites. They often list dimensions for usable oven space. Assuming that you want to put baguettes on half sheet pans in longways first, you'll want an oven with a usable depth of 19" or so. In my limited experience, the convection ovens in GE ranges are among the deepest. The ovens in my now deceased GE dual-fuel and the the freestanding induction range I checked out (a couple of years ago) both had a bit more than 19" of usable depth in their convection ovens. They also were a skoonch over 24" width. Basically, it was enough depth to accommodate the 18" length of a half-sheet pan with a couple of baguettes on it and enough width to get a couple of those pans side-by-side on a rack. In contrast, ovens rated at 4.9 cu. ft. and less (including my current NXR) have a bit less usable depth and width. My current NXR range exemplifies Barryv's comment about convection fan housings protruding into the oven space and limiting the depth. A number of GE Models have been recommended here at GW but I can't recall any discussions about the propane conversions. Maybe you can search out some information with a couple of model numbers. Also, are you looking for a slide-in model (all controls down front and no backsplash) or a freestanding model. Freestanding versions are usually substantially less expensive. Some slide-ins have shallower ovens than freestanding versions, although that is not always the case. Most GE slide-in models have the same size ovens as on the freestanding ones. A friend of mine has a GE JGB750SEFSS which has a convection oven that is at least 19" deep and with which she seems to be happy with the baking abilities. Consumer Reports also gave it an excellent rating for baking (for whatever that's worth.) IIRC, this range cost my friend something around $1k at Lowe's last spring. It came with propane conversion kit, but I can't speak to how well that works because my friend is not using propane. Another brand and model that has seen some attention here is the Frigidaire FGGF3054M. This runs about $900 new, reputedly has a 19" deep oven, and is one of the few gas ranges that have a third oven element (so called "true convection.") As on most major brand "true convection" ranges, the convection element runs on a 120v supply and is rated at 350 watts. This does help even out the oven temps and likely helps with baking. Whichever models you settle on, I advise you to try to see one in person and take your baking pans/sheets to check out the oven depth to be sure it will work for what you want to do. Hopefully, with a couple of posts to keep this thread going, we can attract the attention of a GW member with first hand experience with propane conversions on the above or similar models....See More? for miele bread bakers
Comments (0)OK SO I MOVED MY POSTS OVER FROM KITCHENS - INCLUDED TRAILRUNNERS KIND RESPONSE. I'm making Alton Brown's overnight cinnamon rolls. I have always followed the instructions which state, " place a shallow pan filled 2/3rds with boiling water in the oven, remove rolls from refrig and place on rack over the water in oven, allow rolls to rise 30 min or so, remove rolls and water pan , preheat oven , then bake". My question is this, could I forgo the boililng water step, and just use the proof function? And if so, which setting? What is the proof function? Sorry to be a baking dweeb. Follow-Up Postings: Posted by trailrunner (My Page) on Tue, Nov 23, 10 at 14:10 Hey Lucy, a couple things. The proof setting is 125 degress...WAY too hot to be proofing anything. That said what I do when the house is really cold is turn on the proof setting and let it run for a few minutes while watching the temp. and turn it off when it reaches 90. The problem also with the proof is that a fan is blowing in the oven which would dry out things that are rising unless you cover them well. The reason that Alton has you using the hot water is just to get a quick rise of the rolls. So you can either set any old bowl of hot tap water in there with the rolls...nice moist warmth to rise them in, or you can use the proof but cut it off before it reaches 125 and let your rolls rise or a combo of both and set the warm water in there....I wouldn't use boiling just your usual hot water from the tap and turn on the proof and then cut it off and you will have warm and humid. Oh also do cover the rolls as they rise or you will get a dry skin on the top of the dough. You can brush then lightly with with oil or spray with PAM to keep them from drying out...this is the same as when you place a ball of dough into an oiled bowl and then turn it over to coat the top. Hope this wasn't too long. c PS please post pics ! RE: ? for miele bread bakers Posted by lucypwd (My Page) on Tue, Nov 23, 10 at 14:22 Thanks Carolyn - so is that why the tops of the rolls are hard and dark? I covered them in the frig overnight, but did not cover them in the oven while rising. This recipe is a no brainer - honestly you just mix it in the kitchen aid mixer - super easy. When would you use the proof setting at 90 degrees?...See MoreBread bakers - how far in advance can I make a biga?
Comments (3)If you capture a wild yeast, you can let it sit for a long time. I've let them go for several weeks in the fridge. After a couple months it can be iffy as to whether they'll kick in, but usually they do. Years ago I owned a French bakery. We'd mix up our dough for croissants and put it into the cooler until the next morning. Most pizza places do that too. So don't chain yourself to someone's directions unless they can explain with precision why the direction can't be modified. FWIW - I'm in complete agreement with the above. No need to worry about overnight....See MoreBread bakers - Have you heard of Japanese milk bread?
Comments (10)jasdip: You can leave the milk powder out. According to my research the milk powder is for "fragrance" and most of the recipe translated from Japanese and Chinese say "optional". I buy small tin of whole milk powder from Wallyworld for about $1.50 (brand NIDO) - I keep in freezer. We use the NIDO to make DIY evaporated milk because we can not use carageenan (sp??) which is in canned evap milk. I've become addicted to using this water roux/tang zhong method. I think the folks who make the Challah at our local grocer must use this method because the bread has about the same texture. Cheers, DL...See More- 10 years ago
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