Are they near the house maybe a drier vent? Near a leaking hose. Somethings making them unhappy in that spot.

i am on city water so no softner and i do have a dog but they never have gone near any of my other roses i have them in sun from 9-3:30 they get watered in the morning with an occasional water in the evening as theres been a bit wind. they are in the back corner of my yard near a fountain. the sunsprites got moved to a similiar spot that gets sun from 8-7 somone did put chlorine in the fountain to clean it and i thought that might cause problems if it slightly spashes out but i did have hydrengeas there in the past that did something similiar and yes the sunsprites looked the same. im kind of tempted to move the jcs and completly work the soil up and ammend it but im not sure that will solve things

The past history of other plants having the same problem in the same spot is interesting. I think that we can rule out chlorine splash, that would spot the leaves. What you have looks systemic, coming from the roots. Chlorine in the soil is bad for soil microbes but it takes a great amount to have any effect on the plants.

There is a nutritional deficiency that will cause something like I see on your plants. We see potassium deficiency on palms, but I have not seen it on roses. I looked it up and it does effect roses and magnisium deficiency can cause a similar problem. Potassium is very high in my soils, but is not useable to the plants because it is "tied up". I'm not sure why this is, you need a soil scientist or chemist to explain it, but I do know what it means. It means that if the potassium that you apply is not taken up by the plant, it too will become "locked up". You can get around the this problem by a slow release fertilizer such as osmicote of nutricote (commonly sold as dynamite), the nutrients in these fertilizers are liquefied and allow to release slowing through a membrane. You could also use a liquid fertilizer, but it must applied often. You might want to try so liquid fertilizer made for roses and see if it helps. If it does, then switch to the slow release for the long term, slow release takes 1 to 3 weeks to activate.

If your are already using liquid fertilizer, then I confess, I got nothing.

will try fertilizer and see if that helps

please let know me what happens

If 4 soMe reason fertilizer doesn't do the trick, if I where u, I would replace the soil or find a different spot to plant in.

how did they look before you planted them?

Did anyone own the home before you. I have a couple of spots like that here where nothing I tried would grow. I know the previous owners here could have cared less what they dumped on the ground. In one of my spots I finally found that a daylily was the only plant able grow there.

High salt levels (toxicity) would make a rose look like that. high salts can come from a lot of different products like chemicals - even fertilizer. I would not fertilize them and I think I would try to rescue them to containers and let then get healthy then put them in a different location

Chris, I agree with you that it looks like salt damage. The reason that I didn't think that it was due to fertilizer: (1) is that it has been happening in this area for a long time and (2) that if garden nut is over fertilizing then other parts in the garden should show similar damage.

If it is salt in the soil, a soil analysis test would show it, this is something easy for a soil lab to test for. I live in Florida where salt problems are common near the coast and usually caused by salt in the well water used for irrigation, so my state will test for salt at a very reasonable cost. The commonly recommend solution for salt buildup is leaching the soil by apply a lot of water, about 4" worth. Even without a test you may want to try leaching.

garden nut You said that it was in the back corner of your property, is it by a property line, or fence line shared by a neighbor? If this is true, is it possible that your neighbor uses some kind of chemical to keep the fence or property line clear of vegetation? I've seen people use rock salt, gasoline, ect, for this purpose.

the plants were healthy and covered with blooms and my parents built the home new 25 years ago on what was origanaly orchards its about 6 ft off the fence with privets behind it and i only did a diluted fertilization in the spot once 4 wks after they were planted i moved the sickest plant of the two to the front yard in a spot that is in full sun

I'm back to the fertilizer theory. Maybe there is some in the soil that's throwing off the ph, if the liquid fertilizer helps, maybe you should check the ph.

i will do a soil test once it stops raining

update the one in moved outfront is leafing out the other one is also getting some foliage but alot slower after a diluted fertilizer

How's the new foliage look? Fertilizer won't help them leaf out but should effect the size and color of the new growth

the new foliage is green and healthy like it was when bought

That's great