Prep Sink, yes or no?
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Comments (5)(previous message didn't post for some reason, so if this shows up as a duplicate, I apologize). 1.) As always, kaseki is 100% right on the money when it comes to ventilation. Tubular hoods, while offering a sleek look, are not the best choice for ventilating a kitchen you're actually going to cook in. Regardless of the power of the blower (CFM) - if the capture area is too small, the hood physically won't be able to capture all of the "effluent stream". On the other hand, since there are *2* blowers involved, you are getting more ventilation power overall. IF - and that's a big IF - there's sufficient make-up air (which is a whole debate in itself), the increased airflow may partially compensate for the decreased capture area. In other words, while it may not catch everything as soon as it rises, it will increase the overall flow of air in the room, extracting the polluted air and forcing fresh outside air to come in, via the difference in pressure. If you're planning to cook a lot on a regular basis, this may not be a good solution. But I've had clients who, although I tried to talk them out of it, did opt for a 2-unit installation like this, for a 2nd home / kosher kitchen / vacation home, and were perfectly happy with it. If style is more important to you than performance, go for it. Just don't expect a Lamborghini to be able to pull a trailer like a Ford truck.. 2.) The problem with buying appliances that are made for Europe and shipping them to the US, is not the cost of shipping, as much as incompatible power supply and certifications. The electrical standard in Europe is 220 volts AC, with a frequency of 50 hertz. The electrical standard in the USA is 110 volts AC, with a frequency of 60 hertz. You will need a converter that not only lowers the voltage, but also changes the frequency. Otherwise, when you have electronics that expect 50 Hz but get 60 Hz, motors may work at weird speeds, and electronics may act up or not work at all. Also, the converter must be able to supply sufficient amperage on a sustained basis, and not generate too much heat. Also, European appliances are certified to CE / TUV / GOST standards, while in North America, UL and CSA are the predominant standards. UL certification allows an appliance/electronic item to be used in homes in the USA (but not Canada). CSA certification with the C and US submarks means the item can be used in the USA and Canada: CSA logo with US and Canada compliance 3.) There are plenty of European appliance brands which also manufacture items for the North American market. There's no reason to spend $$ on shipping, then deal with the voltage converter issues, and lack of certification (hello, home inspector!), when you can buy an appliance that's already made for this country. Miele USA, Futuro Futuro, Faber, Gaggenau, and others - you have a lot of choices for European-design appliances without having to jump through hoops. Here is a link that might be useful: Cylinder hood with 110-volt power for US/Canada...See More? for single basin sink owners: prep sink, yes or no?
Comments (15)Lisa...I think in your kitchen you could go either way. Regardless of where your (main) sink ends up, it will still be close to the cooktop & you will have room to prep b/w them. If the sink moves to the refrigerator wall, you will have even more prep space b/w them. While a prep sink would be nice, I don't think it's a necessity to make your kitchen work. Yes, it would add an additional prep area for you at the island (b/c there will be a water source) and, possibly, reduce some zone crossing, depending on the location. Right now, to get to the refrigerator from the cooktop you have to either cross the Cleanup Zone or go around the island. How many people will be using your kitchen at once? Will they all be prepping/cooking or will there be a mix of prepping/cooking/cleaning up? If cleaning up is in the mix, then the zone crossing could become an issue, especially when the DW is open. As to location, I like Elizpiz's setup best, but I can see where it would definitely reduce available counter space. If you put it on the left side across from the cooktop, it would be readily available from the cooktop as well as the "outside" part of the island for prepping there while someone else is cleaning up on the "inside" as well as be available for outsiders for a drink of water, etc. However, it will reduce that 42-1/4" to approx approx 24" of workspace directly across from your cooktop; but, as I mentioned b/f, you will still have add'l room on the wall run. If you put it on the refrigerator end, I think you're right in your assessment...I find that I use the counters across from both my refrigerator & ovens much more than the counter next to them...both for removing things from them as well as staging things to put in them. (I have approx 32" b/w the Ref & DR peninsula end and approx 44" b/w the ovens & the end of the "mini peninsula". Both have landing space right next to them as well.) We do have a prep sink, but in our kitchen it was a necessity to make it work. Our cooktop & sink are opposite each other, separated by approx 6'6" of aisle...the main aisle through the kitchen. By adding a prep sink on the cooktop wall, we were able to separate the Cleanup Zone from the Prep & Cooking Zones as well as protect both zones from kitchen traffic (inside a "U" w/short legs but long base). During the week, there are usually two of us in the kitchen...one prepping/cooking (me) and one cleaning up (DH) with an occasional child helping make veggies. On the weekend, there are sometimes all four of us working in the kitchen! When baking (usually a marathon!), there are usually two or three of us. (I seem to bake in spurts...when I bake, I seem to go all out!)...See MoreHelp me decide: prep sink in island-yes or no?
Comments (7)sounds like my initial decision was spot on. Dang it, that sink is really pretty! Perky-thank you for your comments. I love the kitchen, but certainly would do a few things differently now. Sophie, will keep in mind the beverage sink idea. We also have yet to do the pantry wall (to the left of the door by the stove), so maybe we could incorporate a sink there, when/if we get to that point. Thank you all for your input....See MorePrep sink location?
Comments (22)I would keep the L shaped kitchen. But now seeing your full floor plan, I would take your initial plan and switch the cook top and sink and then switch the ref and wall ovens. This will make the hood the focal point from the living room and the ref will "hide " the sink. I would then open a pass through from the sink to the dining room. This will be a great serving counter and will help fill some of that wall space you were talking about. Since you are doing some construction you can move everything to suite your plan.... It seems that the only dimension that is fixed is the one up to the entry of the game room. What is happening with the pantry? Are you really going to be walking through everytime you go in and out from the garage? Or is it going to be closed off and then it is a back hall? Just some things to think about... Oh yes - I don't think you need to spend $$ for 15" deep wall cabinets - you are not starved for storage here.......See Moreirmaly
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