Hey Zuzu.... Is this Castilian?
Zuzu, after you mentioned on the QUEEN OF HEARTS thread how we have a lot of the same roses, I went and looked up your listing on HMF, and I noticed you have CASTILIAN. I got one from Hortico a few yrs ago. They listed it, and HMF as well, as an "orange and white" rose. My plant, as I recall, did not bloom at all the first yr, or maybe had like one bloom that wasn't characteristic of their photo or the supposed coloring. Subsequent yrs it has always bloomed a blue-red with a white reverse. I assumed it was not the correct rose. But in looking at your photos, and Ben Williams' photo, mine looks very much like them.
Last yr, it was just gorgeous. I initially thought it might be actually MIDNIGHT MAGIC aka LA PLATA SEQUICENTENNIAL, because it's kind of similar to it. However.... my MIDNIGHT MAGIC was also quite spectacular last yr after being dug out of the septic area and just being potted up. It is a waaaay more burgundy color. So, I know they are not the same rose. I am now convinced I have the same rose as you do. I guess their color class is just somehow wrong? Because Mr. Williams' photo is pretty much the same color, but the form looks way off!!
What do you think?? Does mine look like yours?
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Jasminerose, California, USDA 9b/Sunset 18
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8 years agoHortico sent me another suspicious J.B. Williams rose called Emsie Girl. I never posted photos of it on HMF because the description calls it an orange blend hybrid tea. Mine's white with a pink edge and blooms in clusters, so it's probably one of his shrub roses. I'm so glad Hortico sent me the wrong one. The hybrid tea looks sort of boring on HMF, but my mislabeled rose is fabulous.
bethnorcal9
8 years agoHow does that rose grow? Big and wide? Lots of thorns? Clusters? It looks just like my DELANY SISTERS! She's a monster plant. About 4+ft high x 5-6ft wide. Big fat canes, humongous thorns. Blooms like crazy. I'm constantly pruning her upright, but she spreads all over the place.
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