second hand subzero value?
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Comments (38)I thought I'd update some of the very helpful people who piped in here regarding my refrigerator decision. Basically, my KD decided it for me so I'm relieved. She said that a span of 48" (for the fridge) would be the best scenario for the wall that I'm placing the fridge on, but that a 60" span for the fridge would work too. However, a 60" span would squish all of the cabinetry on that wall. I was considering 2 24" Liebherr's when I was initially planning the kitchen but I thinks they're too small for my family. So we decided to bite the bullet and order the 27" SZ. The 54" span is a good compromise. Antss -- for the record, I know that you were playing devil's advocate, and I know that there probably isn't a country that doesn't have blood on its hands, but the Turkey issue is closer to home for me. Buying one wouldn't give me a "creepy" feeling like was suggested. It would have given me a very guilty feeling....See Moresubzero neighborhood-regular fridge budget
Comments (25)Bethesdamom2008, I am going through a very similar dilemma about appliances. (BTW, based on your username, I think we're nearly neighbors--I'm in ChCh.) Brand cache thing aside, in the last 4 years I've had both a 42" built-in KA & a bottom-mount SZ (in different houses, one of which I recently sold to friends). The KA in the old house was quiet, the dispenser gave filtered water & ice (unlike the SZ), and it's an Energy Star unit, & it was $3k less than the SZ 42"w/ disp. On the other hand, after a few months in my current house with the SZ, it occurred to me that I never seemed to find yucky brown produce in the fridge anymore. My lettuce stayed green and crisp wrapped simply in plastic wrap; my bagged salads looked fresh even days (I'm embarrassed to say) after the sell-by dates--no weird brown edges. I think service is another Plus: My SZ needed service, and although I'm not the original purchaser and the unit is about 6 yrs old, repairs were completely covered by the standard warranty. My neighbor's older SZ had a slow leak that damaged her floors, and SZ paid for her floor refinishing plus all the fridge repairs. The ONE thing in the ENTIRE kitchen remodel my husband cares about is having a water/ice dispenser, which our current SZ lacks, and so I need to buy a new fridge (a friend is buying the current one). I am trying to decide between the KA & SZ 42", but leaning toward SZ b/c of the warranty/svc, plus the fact that most other houses in my 'hood seem to have SZs. I am not positive on the SZ though--the KA met our needs very well and the filtered water and Energy Star rating are big plusses! I'll probably get the 36" Thermador Pro Harmony because of the counter depth aspect--I had the star burners at my other house and they are fantastic. Interested to know what you decide! The folks at my local appliance dealers are laying on the pressure because SZ is having a big price increase starting 4/1....See More"Value" of sub zero
Comments (22)SubZero still has the cachet, but there are competitors now. Fifty years ago, they were about it for built-in, and it was much more recently that they got competition for the dual compressors. If you don't have that, you'll really notice the difference in the freezer. A LOT. They also have the freshness filters, which some of the higher end European ones do, as well, but they all work differently. A big part of the price difference, however, besides what the market will bear, which is at the bottom of all pricing, is reliability. Icemakers are the weakest part of any refrigerator, and call for the most repairs, but they are reparable. If you maintain a SubZero (e.g., vacuum the grille), if today's units are anything like the past ones, and I haven't heard that they were slipping, the fridge will last decades. A 2002 SZ isn't even through half its projected life! My mother is on her second one in fifty years. :) The earlier ones were only good for twenty years... OTOH, since you're in a less high house in a transitional neighborhood, you could just as easily frame in a standard fridge and make it look elegant and unassuming. I got Miele columns because I couldn't make the sizes for SubZero work for me, and I wanted all fridge and all freezer anyway. And, yes, my old Kenmore fridge from grad school days also kept food cold. It's the little details that make the difference. The lighting. The quality of the shelves that don't chip or crack, and supports that don't break. The drawers that actually do something rather than just saying "crisper". The smells that aren't there. The corners and back wall where the lettuce doesn't freeze. Lots of little things like that. And the fact that, given the possibility of a few repairs along the way, the thing will last 30+ years, with on the mark customer service, and you have why people will pay more for the SZ. But it's only a must where it's a must. In those kinds of places, if you don't go all out on your remodel, you'll be better off keeping the kitchen as is, except for what you need for your immediate comfort, because it's going to be ripped out anyway, and they'll pay less for thinking they need to remodel, not more because you already did it....See MoreDo you think second-hand shopping affects the retail industry a lot?
Comments (32)I doubt it's second hand that is hurting retail. As mentioned before, I think it's a proliferation of garbage materials. And in my town, (pop 160K) we have two enclosed malls each with a Macy's, one has a Sears, the other Pennys and Nordstrom, and a new outdoor mall within 10 miles. There are 2 Targets, 3 Walmarts, four regional superstores, countless mini-malls, dozens of furniture stores, mattress stores, Tuesday Morning, 2 TJ Maxx, 3 Ross Dress For Less, and countless others. We also have 2 Lowes and 2 Home Depots. And virtually the same stuff in every store. The only place to find original things is downtown at the independent stores. My biggest gripe is amount of product at the stores. Clothing in particular. I cannot find clothing in my size, because the stores usually only carry one or two in that size and half a dozen each in the smaller sizes. When the size I need sells out the fastest, you'd think they'd stock more of that size! Plus the selections are garbage. But when I go to Goodwill (and we have 4 of those!) I ALWAYS find nice, quality seperates in my size. Oddly enough, I also find lots of NWT smaller sized items that the stores dump off! I know that it's very fashionable in my area to shop at Goodwill. I have even seen some 'boutique' second hand thrift stores-where they glean the top of the line goodies & vintage items and sell them at the special Salvation Army & other charity thrift shops. I have virtually furnished and/or decorated my home and yard with second hand items. Mattresses and upholstered furniture being the exception. Lamps, tables, even rugs I've gotten from CL and thrift stores-and most are well branded. Even yard sales have turned up Waterford for pennies on the dollar. I hate buying retail when I can save money and buy it much cheaper (and helping with my personal goal of reduce, reuse, recycle). I do draw the line at buying intimates, sleepwear and swimsuits 2nd hand. But I've gotten great new shoes at amazing bargains. And for those who get queasy at the thought of buying used clothing-chances are the items you buy in the store have been tried on, and therefore used, too....See MoreCaroline Hamilton
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