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Comments (7)As in all things related to bread - it's not so much about right or wrong, it's about choices. If a person makes poor-quality dough, I promise the oven type won't improve it.... I seriously doubt if anyone tested 20 loaves of bread, they could say with any certainty whether it was baked in an electric or gas oven. After years of judging foods at fairs, the oven type has never been a judging standard. There are too many variables to "bread" to use the sweep of a "broad brush" - such as oven types - especially when it comes to modern day home ovens. Having owned all kinds of ovens over the years, demonstrated breads and taught bread classes using high-end professional ovens in a new, state-of-the-art kitchen gallery where hubby works; and my ever favorite Sharp Convection/Microwave (20-minute baking time and NO preheating), as well as my Solar Ovens, I've always managed to make breads of all kinds without any problem - gas or electric - high-end or builder-grade. You mention moisture during bread baking, you can add your own moisture - whatever type of oven you use. I often add moisture to the oven for the final proofing when I use it as a proofing box. I also have a cast iron skillet I add boiling water to for a shot of steam (I use Christopher Kimball's method from "The Cook's Bible). But added moisture (as in high amount of hot steam) during baking isn't correct for all types of breads. Moisture is also expelled from the bread during baking, contibuting to the moisture in the oven. I like to use my covered stone bakers, which holds in moisture for crispy crusts, but I don't want my sandwich breads and enriched breads to be baked in them because I don't necessarily want a crispy crust. Beyond ovens, consider some of these things that also influence the finished loaf. -Using milk instead of water will produce a softer crust. -Baking breads at a lower temperature (325°-350°F) creates a thicker, chewier crust. -Baking breads at 375°-425°F (or higher) produces a thinner, crisper crust. -Egg, butter, or saltwater washes influence bread crusts. Those variables don't depend on the oven type, just the ingredients and temperature. I'm just not an oven "snob". I don't consider oven types a big deal one way or the other when I look at the big picture. To each their own.... And this is the general experience from a person who bakes ALL their breads and baked goods. Not someone who uses their high-end oven twice a year to heat a frozen pizza, but paid $6,000 for it to "look good". Hubby is a VP of a cabinet manufacturing company (34-years) and they handle the "best" when it comes to ovens and other kitchen appliances. Their demonstration gallery is breath-taking. I could have my choice of "the best". We could certainly afford it. But from experience, the oven type is very low on my list of considerations when making good bread. -Grainlady...See MoreOld Welbuilt vs Zojirushi: grainlady, others?
Comments (1)My sister used a DAK years ago and loved it, and then several garage sale/thrift store bread makers that were disappointing after the DAK went to appliance "heaven", until she finally found a Zojirushi (V-20) at a garage sale - which she loves. She lives in a retirement community in Texas and at Christmas she puts the Zo to work making not only bread (usually around 20-loaves), but she also makes jam in it to give to her neighbors for Christmas. I taught her how to make consecutive loaves so it doesn't take as long to make each loaf. The first Zo (S-15) had the bucket in it and had a 4-cup flour capacity. I have friends who have used one of those for over 20-years and make at least one loaf of 100% whole wheat bread in it each week. They had to replace one small part on it in all that time. The V-20 had a 5-cup flour capacity and a horizontal loaf, so we were able to make 1-1/2# and 2# loaves, instead of just 1# loaves. And for those of us who used the V-20 for making dough (that was my first bread machine), we could use recipes that had much more flour than the 5-cup capacity AS LONG AS we only used it for mixing/kneading, and took the dough out of the machine as soon as kneading was complete and let it raise outside of the bread machine. It was a real workhorse in the kitchen when it came to making bread dough. For many years Zo's were one of the only bread machines that was capable of making 100% whole wheat bread, and I made loaf-after-loaf of 100% whole wheat bread once or twice a week for years in my first Zo. My second Zo was an X-20, and both still run today. When King Arthur Flour started selling the Zo V-20, they used them for mixing dough in their test kitchens because they did a better job than a stand mixer. In their catalog (catalogue) they showed a side-by-side picture of a loaf of 100% whole wheat bread mixed in a stand mixer, and one where the dough was mixed in the Zo bread machine (baked in a loaf pan), and the bread machine mixed loaf (using the same recipe as made in the stand mixer) was about 1-inch taller than the one made with the stand mixer. The Zo just did a good job of kneading because of the two paddles. Stand mixers tend to aerate the dough. I've taught a lot of Bread Machine Classes over the last 15-years, and I still do mentoring for the Extension Office one-on-one when they get someone who has a new bread machine and needs some help with it. In those classes each person brings their own bread machine, and I've seen a lot of junk machines. It's no wonder so many of them die of loneliness unused on a shelf someplace, or are donated to a thrift store. -Grainlady...See MoreI Thought about Grainlady and others today....
Comments (3)Congrats, Carol, on the great results. Have you cut into it? How are the crumb and crust? How does it taste? I too benefit greatly from Grainlady's posts. Lots and lots of whys to go with my hows. :)...See MoreQuestion for Grainlady or other good bakers
Comments (10)With that small amount of flour and the other supporting ingredients, you can easily choose from a number of things. I'd suggest you give it a try with 1/2 a recipe to see if you like one more than another, but whatever you use, you will get pancakes, so try something you already have at home. I would use almond flour, buckwheat flour or oat flour - and I bet even quick oatmeal would work just fine. Any of the all-purpose gluten-free flour mixtures would also work, but they aren't my go-to choice. Personally, I carefully watch the amount of high-glycemic g-f flours I use, especially rice flour, which also comes with an arsenic component as another reason I give high consideration, and rice flour is in nearly everything that is commercially sold as gluten-free. So that's why I make my own g-f food at home. Coconut flour is another choice you can use, but it will only take a small amount - maybe a tablespoon (if making the whole recipe), because coconut flour absorbs so much moisture. I would also let the batter set a few minutes after adding the coconut flour because it will be completely different thickness after it has time to absorb the moisture in the batter. I occasionally use a mixture of hi-maize resistant starch and unflavored whey protein isolate for small amounts of wheat flour. The hi-maize starch adds a lot of fiber and the whey adds more protein for us carb-watchers. This is what I often use when I need a Bisquick substitute: (yield: 1-cup) 1/2 c. almond flour 1/2 c. hi-maize resistant starch 1-1/2 t. baking powder (gluten-free) 1/4 t. salt 1 T. coconut oil (or your favorite fat or oil) Blend together. The article at this link may help you out even more. http://www.glutenfreeandmore.com/resources/food-allergy-substitutions.html -Grainlady...See More- 10 years ago
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