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Comments (19)biwako, Apologies for not simply copying and pasting it into this forum as I'm doing now; I am new to this forum thing and have been going back and forth between this one and the Stepfamilies forum, in between tying to work and deal with all of this with my wife; I didn't think of the inconvenience of looking at the other one. Here it is: ================================================== Thanks all for your responses; I actually feel appalled by this whole thing and you have validated my feelings. As some have suggested, we are in counseling and have been for ~two months; we are also (assuming we can work through this) considering to purchase another property together that we will live in, thus leaving the current house for her to do with as she wishes. The problem persists though on how to reconcile the imbalance in financial contribution over our four years of marriage, since her intention of not allowing even partial ownership is now clear, and also due to her insistence on my paying rent over and above our common expenses. BTW, we are in a community property state, but really to me that is irrelevant unless we end up divorcing; is what I want to do is understand the fair and equitable thing to do for both of us so that we can work this out. BTW2, this is interesting because from all the responses it would seem I'm the wife, but actually I'm the husband; Jessie is my wife... I intentionally wrote this to be gender neutral because my wife says expectations are different depending on which gender is in which position. Again, my intention is to do what is fair and equitable, so if conventional wisdom is such that your responses would now be different please feel free to say so and please let me know what the difference would be. Again, thank you very much for your insight ================================================== That's the end of the post I was referring to, hope it helps everyone to better understand what's going on. Asolo, The money issue has surfaced only in the last three months or so, due to our finally getting around to setting up wills and trusts, etc. Also, your second post, along with a number of posts in the Stepfamilies forum, speaks to how I have been feeling. In fact, I brought up in our counseling session last Saturday that even if we "reach agreement" with the money, that we as a couple have deeper issues that are probably the real culprit, and that unless we get those understood and resolved, the money thing won't even matter... Collenoz, You have captured the intent of the gender neutrality, though not because people on these forums often take womens side of things (I haven't been on these forums long enough to know), but because (as I now include above) my wife claims that what she wants is okay for a women, but not for a man; so yes, I did not want gender to play into it....See MoreShould spouse pay rent?
Comments (89)"why would parents repeatedly tell their children that they inherit something? why would this topic even come up? how would it start: hey i am going to leave you XYZ. lol repeatedly their whole life? why? I can see how maybe when they wrote the will they said something...but repeatedly tell them their whole life...what for? I get upset to think of my parents dying, as I watch them getting older, why would they be bringing it up my whole life?" In my case, I suspect it was a need on my Dad's part to periodically "set the record straight" because SM (for many years GF) brought up money issues incessantly. (Generally with the theme being "gimme, gimme".) I never once brought up these issues. My Dad got together with SM when I was 13 and inheritance (again, among many other money issues) was already being brought up then, long before I could even really comprehend the issue or had any reason to imagine my Dad would ever die (kids don't think about stuff like that). Another major talk occured when I was about 18 (surprise, surprise), then another one when I was about 20, then again when I was 24, then again when I was about 29, then several after he got sick when I was 30 up until he died when I was 32. His statements were always pretty much the same, with his wishes being to pretty much split everything he owned 60/40 (SM's favor). The only major change occured when *I* told *HIM* that I didn't think it would go well if he left the house for me and SM to split thusly, that it could cause any number of problems for both she and I. I told him he should just leave her the house outright. He then took it upon himself to arrange things so that his intended 40% to me was maintained by allocating other assets to me, but I had not asked him to do that. Overall, his wishes stayed the same for years, even though SM kept insisting she should have more. And even though she might have *expected* that she could make him change his mind. One very crucial little encounter, especially in hindsight, really drives home the point to me why he kept feeling this need to "set the record straight". (Sorry in advance to those who've read this story before... and sorry, too, that it's a little long.) It was about 1996, I was about 20, and my SM and I had gone last-minute holiday shopping together. I had only so much cash on me, which I'd used up on presents for my Dad (and her, btw) and others. We were kind of far from home and really hungry, and discussed going to the McDonald's that was on the way home. But this decision became a full-on philosophical crisis for SM, as she agonized out loud: "Hmmmm... well what should we do? I mean, you don't have any money left to get anything." And I said: "I can pay you back when we get to the house, I'm really REALLY hungry..." and after some serious moral rumination she finally agreed that was do-able. In hindsight, I think she was so consumed by her one-track mind obsession that as an ADULT, I, stepchild, should not EXPECT ---literally--- a dollar for ANYTHING that it next precipitated the following exchange, once we were inside the McDonald's eating our Happy Meals: SM: "You know, when Dad dies, everything's going to me. And then, when I die, if there's anything left, you'll get it at that point." ME: [bewildered as to where in the heck this subject was suddenly coming from] "Why are we talking about my Dad dying? Is he sick or something?" So over a decade later, when I finally had the nerve to tell my Dad about this little exchange (b/c he asked why I don't trust SM), and when he reacted with shock and said "I never told her that!", I believed him. Because in all those times he sat she & I down and told us what's what, that little plan of hers didn't enter the convo. I believe she was either 'testing' me out, trying to get some kind of rise out of me to start a family feud, or living a freakin' delusion in her brain. Which to me clearly illustrates why my Dad kept feeling the need to divest her of her persistently unfounded expectations. Which leads back to the orginal question. So to sum it up I think the reason my Dad regularly had these "sit-downs" with us all together about his will and what would happen is precisely because he wanted us both to hear the same thing out of his mouth at the same time in case either of us [she] tried to pull some deceptive little crap on the side. And he didn't want either of us having expectations that would be disappointed... especially her, apparently. My point with all this is that the situation that some SP's may view as "typical" ---that is adult kids "demanding" an inheritance--- is just simply not always so. Sometimes it's adult spouses who "demand". That's the main difference with my story, and perhaps it's unusual. I'm sure there are plenty of bratty, spolied adult stepkids who not only DEMAND an inheritance but who mean-spiritedly believe their parents' spouses should get nothing. I can honestly tell you that even though my SM has been a royal arse to me for many years, I would never think she deserved to get NOTHING, or less than what my Dad promised her in my presence....See MoreSpouse Did Laundry For 2 Weeks
Comments (14)Sounds like we've all been doing our time in the ICU these past months. Very strange. My father had a defibrillator / pacemaker and went in to cardiac arrest in the hospital. Some sort of incompatibility between the antibiotics and heart meds is the assumption. The df/pm will only correct rhythm but does nothing if the heart stops suddenly. Downloading it gave no info as it never turned on. Mustangs - how is your husband doing now? 21 days in that environment had to be very hard on you. By day 3 I was buying coffee for the whole ICU waiting room and loaning out blankets. Rocco - I can't imagine losing a sibling yet. Let's all get our cardio checks?!...See MoreLove.......
Comments (10)Sylvia, that's a given, but mom doesn't seem to notice or doesn't care, and really doesn't have much to do with the house anyway. It's my son who is frustrated because he does the majority of the cleaning, but no one seems to care if they live in a clean house or if it looks like a pig sty. They break things(faucets, toilet paper holders, cabinet doors/drawers)but of course when asked, no one did it. My son is very easy going on the kids, so they know he'll only ask them why they didn't tell him, without getting punished~he accepts the fact that things *do* get broken. We lived in an upscale area and my children were raised in a very nice as well as clean house, so it's very hard for me to understand why or how he finds this acceptable. Supposedly 'love is blind' and I think I believe it. ;)...See MorePawprint
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