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tracydr.......Please!! Your Rye Bread recipe?
Comments (5)Here you go! This is courtesy of "Mini-Oven" on The Fresh Loaf forum. I've also added a bunch of rye meal, rye chops and flax to this to make a volkornbrot which was even better! Just maintain the same starter, flour and water ratios and it will work great. For the spices, I use 1tbsp of caraway, 1 tsp of fennel and 1 tbsp of onion. This fits into a large Pullman pan (King Arthurs is what I use) perfectly at the same amounts that Mini used. The last time I baked this as a volkornbrot I actually baked on 250 degrees (more or less, in the camper) all through the night! This was the most amazing loaf yet. I don't bulk proof and shape. I simply mix up the dough and spread into a pullman pan, letting it rise to almost the top of the pan (no more than 8 hours or you'll have enzyme starch attack) and bake. If you want to make it in a different pan and need a spreadsheet to figure the ratios email me and I can send you a spreadsheet. Here it is, Thanks Mini!: "I've been playing with rye loaf ratios (starter/water/flour) and I came up with one using any amount of rye starter that when refreshed is a paste (100% hydration) and as it ferments loostens to a thick batter. I was looking for basic numbers (like 1/2/3) and I found them they're 1/ 3.5/ 4.16. It makes Rye so much easier! The starter should be generously refreshed 8-12 hours before and mixed into the dough just before peaking and in a 22c room (72°F) the dough ferments 7-8 hours before baking. Dough should not be folded or shaped 4 hours before going into the oven. Basic Ratio> 1 part starter: 3.5 parts cold water: 4.16 parts rye flour 4 tablespoons bread spice for 500g flour Salt 1.8 to 2% of flour weight Hydration of dough aprox 84%. Handle dough with wet hands and a wet spatula. Combine starter and water then the flour, stir well and let rest covered. Add salt about one hour after mixing and any other ingredients. If room is warmer add salt earlier. Three hours into the ferment lightly fold with wet hands and shape into a smooth ball. Place into a well floured brotform or oiled baking pan. Cover and let rise. Don't let it quite Double for it will if conditions are right. Before placing in the oven, use a wet toothpick and dock the loaf all over to release any large bubbles. Bake in covered dark dish in cold oven Convection 200°C or 390°F (oven can reach 220°C easy with the fan on.) Remove cover after 20 to 25 minutes and rotate loaf. Reduce heat by simply turning off convection and use top & bottom heat at 200°C. Remove when dough center reaches 93°C or 200° F. All kinds of combinations are possible including addition of soaked & drained seeds and or cooked berries or moist altus and whole or cracked walnuts or a little spoon of honey. How it works: I have 150g rye starter at 100% hydration. I figure for water: 150 x 3.5 gives the water amount or 525g. I figure the flour: 150 x 4.16 gives 624 g Rye flour. For salt: 2% of 700g (624g + aprox. 75g in the starter) makes salt 14g or one level tablespoon of table salt. This amount of dough took 1 1/2 hours to bake and included moist rye altus. It was baked in two non-stick cast aluminum sauce pans (20cm diameter) one inverted over the other . The rounder of the two on the bottom. No steam other than what was trapped inside. Top removed after 25 minutes. It has a beautiful dark crust with a light shine. Aroma is heavenly"...See MoreRye bread help needed
Comments (5)I have a recipe from Secrets of a Jewish Baker for Bavarian Pumpernickel Bread that is 100% rye flour. I haven't made it because I haven't gotten around to getting pumpernickel flour (medium rye). BTW, he also seems to be under the impression that rye has no gluten as he says this bread has no gluten. From the description, it sounds like this will be a very dense bread. Bavarian Pumpernickel Bread from Secrets of a Jewish Baker by George Greenstein Note, he gives long detailed instructions - more than I want to type - I have abridged them - if you want the full deal, you'll have to get the book or a faster typist than me :^) This recipe is a good size for a bread machine, if you do it in a large mixer with a dough hook you can increase by 50% or double. 1 cup water 1 pkg active dry yeast He always uses yeast with the sour, I usually modify and use just the starter but you might need to add more rising time if you leave out the yeast. 1 cup Rye Sour 1 cup altus (optional) - I haven't used this yet - It is left over rye crusts soaked in water - suppose to intensify flavor. 2 cups cooked rye berries (3 cups water to 1 cup berries or chopped (in a food processor or blender) berries, brought to a boil then cooked covered over low heat until tender - about 45 minutes) 3 to 4 tbsp pumpernickel color (optional) 3 cups pumpernickel flour (medium rye) or rye meal 1 tbsp salt I usually find his salt too much and cut back to 1/2 or 2/3.) Additional rye flour as needed Oil for greasing work top Shortening for greasing pan Sprinkle yeast over warm water and stir to dissolve. Add sour, altus (if using), cooked rye berries, pumpernickel color, pumpernickel flour, and salt. Stir until it comes away from sides of bowl adding 1/4 cup rye flour at a time if necessary. This will be a wet dough with consistency of heavy clay. Turn dough onto oiled worktop. Grease a Pullman pan (a pan with a lid to make a square loaf) or loaf pan (8x4x3 inch). Knead dough into a ball and form into a cylinder as long as the pan. Dough should be pressed down evenly and come within 1/4 inch of top. If you use a loaf pan, put on a baking sheet, grease a second baking sheet and invert over the top. Place in oven and lay a heavy oven proof weight or brick on top. Do not proof. Bake at 375 for 45 to 55 minutes. After first 35 minutes, remove the cover and turn out bread to finish baking inverted on oven stone or baking sheet. When done, tapping the bottom should make a hollow sound. Let cool on a wire rack, then wrap in plastic and refrigerate overnight. The next day slice paper thin. Wrap well with plastic wrap and freeze or refrigerate if not used immediately. Rye Sour Prepare 48 hours in advance Starter: 1/2 cup rye flour 1/8 tsp active dry yeast 1 cup warm water 1 tbsp crushed caraway seeds (optional) 1 tsp minced onion (which he says helps hasten fermentation and adds flavor) Combine it all and mix until smooth. It should be thin and soupy. Cover and let stand in warm spot until bubbly and fermented - can be left up to 24 hours. Stage 1 (24 hours in advance Starter from above 1/2 cup water 1 1/4 cups rye flour 1/4 cup rye flour Combine all except the 1/4 cup rye flour stirring until smooth. Wipe down the sides of bowl with wet hands or scraper (you don't want bits drying there). Sprinkle surface with the 1/4 cup rye flour. Let stand covered with a cloth or plastic wrap until doubled (the flour you sprinkled will be cracked with fissures) 4 to 8 hours. Avoid letting it collapase. Stage 2 You can double the flour and water here to produce more sour. Stage 1 output plus 1/2 water 1 cup rye flour Add the water and 3/4 cup rye flour to stage one and mix until smooth sprinkle with the rest of the flour. Allow to rise 4 to 8 hours. Rye sour should be thick - close to a soft dough, not so stiff that mixing is difficult. Add flour or water to adjust consistency. Stage 3 Repeat what you did at stage 2. At this point, you can take out 1/4 to 1/2 cup to refrigerate and use next time as starter. When this batch has risen, the sour is ready to use....See MoreRECIPE: Onion Rye Bread
Comments (4)I'm not sure (I'm not much of a bread baker...just do it occasionally). I wonder if they would bake faster in the round pans since the dough would be spread out a bit more than in the loaf pans?? You'd need to keep an eye on them probably. As soon as the weather cools I plan to make this bread, now that I've been looking over this recipe. One loaf I like to slice while it's still warm so the butter melts on it - it is very good :)...See MoreCrack in rye bread
Comments (19)Loaf baked yesterday: I made this bread yesterday, using pretty much the same recipe, except that I used 1/3 cup minced fresh onion instead of onion flakes, and I increased VWG to 3 Tbsp. Otherwise it is the same for the ingredients, except that I increased the caraway seeds to 2 Tbsp - I didn't have that much caraway last time, and they were expensive to buy. I did change the method somewhat, and I think this is what made the difference. After letting the dough rise for 1-1/2 hours, I flattened it completely and folded it over on itself several time before shaping it into a loaf. The I put the dough in the Pyrex loaf pan, covered it with plastic wrap, and put it in the refrigerator, planning to bake it the next day. However, after about only an hour, the dough had doubled in bulk in the fridge, and so I took it out so that I could bake it right away. I set the oven to 400°, and when it was hot, I put the loaf in for 15 minutes. Then I turned the temperature down to 375° and baked it for about 35 minutes more, at which time the internal temperature was over 200°. As you can see, this time the loaf has a better shape and no tunnels. The taste is pretty much the same as the previous loaf, but this one has a lighter texture. Anyway, I am glad I got the problem solved😀....See More- 10 years agoLars/J. Robert Scott thanked sleevendog (5a NY 6aNYC NL CA)
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