I do not -- my conditions are not right for it. But it is a remarkably beautiful thing in the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden (San Jose, CA).

Yes -- fragrant. Color -- GORGEOUS. Huge and floriferous there. You might also want to check into the polyantha, 'Sunshine' -- which was bred from it.

'Sunshine':

Hello. I grew him for awhile. His blooms were never the color of Jeri's. But then few of my roses look like Jeri's. Bwah ha ha. Super fade. And he had mid day shade. Mine wasn't vigorous and (ashamed to say) I ignored him until he passed on....just my experience.

Susan

Well unless someone close to me chimes in with some beautiful pictures and stories of how vigorous he is, it's not looking good for me to get him. Where did ya'll get's your clone from? Thanks for letting me know how he did for you!

RU carries it... are you close enough to them that you could visit the nursery and observe it growing there? I can't remember seeing it at the Noisette bed at Edisto Gardens in Orangeburg, but I wasn't able to stay long, and I could have missed it.

My default assumption is that Noisettes will do well in their 'state of origin', though, I guess there must be exceptions to every rule.

Good luck,

Virginia

Mine had an accident with heavy equipment some years ago. I almost forget what it was like, but I vaguely remember liking it.

Rosefolly thanks maybe it will do well here, I'll call RU and ask them about it.. Virginia I plan on calling RU and asking them , I saw after I posted this that they carried it. Thanks for letting me know though! I saw on one of your post about Edisto gardens, I didn't realize we had one until you posted it. I was telling my husband I would love to go there. I may have to go with my mom instead though, he is allergic to Azalea's and I read they have 5 acres planted in those. It has gotten better with age and it generally only bother's him now if he touches it, but 5 acres it might cause some breathing issues. Better safe than sorry!

William Allen Richardson has been on my wishlist for a long time, perversely because Graham Stuart Thomas wrote a negative evaluation of it. I've asked RU in 2014 and 2015, and both times they were out of stock. I did get it from Vintage Gardens, and it died after a couple months. Here's what they emailed me at the time: "William Allen Richardson has proven a very difficult rose for us to propagate, to grow on and to keep alive. And it almost always behaves as a lax bush, difficult to train above 4 feet tall. We have seen much larger specimens but they have been grafted plants...You are in good company with others who've had a tough time with that challenging plant!"

I wonder if there just aren't good clones of 'WAR' in this country any longer? Early ref's claim he is not only vigorous, but quite cold-hardy as well.

Alana, I agree that 5 acres of azaleas might be risky; best not to chance any respiration issues. Hopefully your mom will like to go. When I went in late summer of last year, the Noisette beds were not well-tended, but there were some good varieties carrying on as if they weren't choked with weeds and vines. I hope that was just the timing and as soon as the weather got cooler, someone got in there to do a bit of weeding.

Take pix if you go, please!

Virginia

Thanks rebhs for the very informative information! You said "You are in good company with others who've had a tough time with that challenging plant!" Yes I am! :)

Virginia when I go I will be sure to take pictures! I must bring back eye candy for every one! I was wondering if there just wasn't maybe anymore good clones available...the thought had crossed my mind. Pity, it's so beautiful.

I may talk to Burlington later about budding it since she carries it. I know she will bud for you to at times from a few discussions on here. I haven't had a budded rose in so long though I might kill it! Thanks Nik...I was thinking about that to, but I don't know I may just try budding it myself order it from RU and baby it in a poy while I play...I certianly got some rootstock roses from Mary last spring :) She sent me a few!

Any reasonably vigorous rose in one's conditions can be tried as rootstock. Not all will have good affinity to the particular scion though. Once bloomers and roses more closely related to the progenitors of the scion may be the better bet.

There is a beautiful specimen of William Allen Richardson at Descanso Gardens in Southern California. It is mainly beautiful for it’s lush healthy almost chartreuse green foliage. I am a member and so I see it often and it is beautiful even in late summer when most roses have burned leaves from our summer heat. I never paid too much attention to the blooms. They are rather small inconspicuous and white. Must be our strong sun bleaches it out. Very few thorns.

HU the plant u see at descanso is mislabeled, last time I was there...years ago I tried to tell them and they told they will fix it...I guess they never did...WAR is only worth growing budded in my garden...

I grow ‘William Allen Richardson’ in San Marcos, Tx. It was a band sized plant from Vintage. The plant is now approx 6’ wide x 4.5’ tall- disease resistant, heat tolerant and a free bloomer. His blooms lighten up significantly in the strong Tx sun.

Reve d'Or is a wonderful rose. My first year in the ground plant is growing 8 ft canes.

My ‘WAR’ is not thornless, medium to light thorns and not nearly as vigorous as other tea-noisettes, but still nice foliage. It’s grown as a lax shrub instead of a climber. Reve D ‘or has been a vigorous, healthy grower.

Not bad, Stephanie. I wouldn't fall into the plant and I don't think it wants pruning.

You will love this rose Stephanie! I forgot where you are located, but Reve is wonderful here.