Pink, red, or red bicolor HT tolerates some afternoon shade zone 8?

8 years ago

A neighbor's tree shades back part of bed in late afternoon. Would like to have a tall red, red blend, or PB HT that will thrive in less than 8 hours of full sun.

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roseseek
8 years ago
Being in Texas, I would imagine MOST roses in your desired color would thrive in less than 8 hours of sun. That level of direct sun would be very appropriate in New York, Oregon, Washington, etc. Where UV and heat are intense, significantly less than 8 hours of direct sun are preferable for the vast majority of roses. When "full sun" was written and became part of the repeated "rose knowledge", the major authors were British, writing about conditions in British gardens. Vastly different from what a huge section of this country endures.
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
8 years ago
I so agree. I have roses thriving in 4-5 hours of morning sun whereas the ones that have more are miserable, especially during the many months of our summers, with shriveled up, small roses. All-day sun in a hot climate spells doom and gloom for many roses, especially those in the red to purple color spectrum.
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Ken (N.E.GA.mts) 7a/b
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dublinbay z6 (KS)
8 years ago
I agree--most HTs would love late afternoon protection--even here in my gardening zone 6 (Kansas).

Elle has been a very nice HT for me, good blooming pink/yellow bi-color.

Or if you want drama, here is the hot pink Peter Mayle, a taller, narrower HT (as opposed to Elle which is more spreading or bushy looking for a HT).

Hope that helps.

Kate
Brittie - La Porte, TX 9a
8 years ago
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Pink, red, or red bicolor HT tolerates some afternoon shade zone 8?

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