kajl, the 800s, like Rockrisley's 500s, are very new offerings from bosch so I don't know that you'll be able to gather much intel about them. I have a Bosch oven but it is the now 3 years old 700 series which was made in Europe (France? Germany? Italy? some place else basically.) and based on a very different platform. I have a very good feeling about it as for my needs it is very good. However all the new offerings are a completely different animal as they are based on a different (Thermador?) platform, are out of a completely different shop, and have completely other operations and controls than the older Bosch oven models. So I and most anyone who bought a bosch oven more than 6-8 months ago now can have nothing of value to share with you. My own personal druthers is to give a new models a miss. They are almost always prone to teething troubles if not rank mis-designs.

I've ordered the 27" 500 because I prefer the controls - knobs instead of all touch controls, which I hate.

hvtech42: I agree with what you said about the swing, and I can also see why some would have an issue with opening from the left and essentially having to go around the door (unless open completely... which I would imagine you would do most of the time anyway). My current ovens are 13 yrs old. They are horrible. They don't seal properly, and the temp varies widely and - more troubling - inconsistently. I have had them serviced multiple times, but it seems nothing can be done. I honestly never know whether a dish will take an hour or 90 minutes. I cook extensively for family and entertain on a regular basis, so I am looking forward to a dependable oven.

Disclosure: I am a grandmother, consumer, non-techie, and considering a move into the Consumer Advocate arena. The sections of this post include: - About Bosch Benchmark - GE Ovens - How Swing Effects Roasted/Baked Food - How to Estimate Your Oven’s Swing (aka variance or range) About Bosch Benchmark I am in the process of replacing my second Bosch Benchmark double wall oven. The top ovens had a swing of 93* and 73*, respectfully. The first oven performed beautifully for 6 months, the second for a few weeks. Faulty electronics were evident in my experience. Note: the first oven was version /01 (installed 12/15) the second version /04 (installed 2/2018). Bosch uses average temperature to determine if an oven operates within spec. Within 28 months, my ovens were operable for 9 months, inoperable for 19 months. **How many households with kids could keep their family on track with inoperable ovens?** Bosch, on their part, offered me a buyback this month. But it took a tremendous amount time and bird-dogging on my part. GE Ovens GE states on their website the acceptable swing is +/- 30* using a 350* temperature setting. Hence, your oven meets spec if it’s temperature ranges from 320* to 380* within a 20 minute cycle time. (Check out the GE Appliances site and search for ‘oven temperature variance.’) How Swing Effects Roasted/Baked Food Here are a few examples of how a high oven temperature swing effects food roasted/baked from tried-and-true recipes: - prime rib (shooting for MR) is well on the outside, bloody red around the bone - a tried and true family fruit cake recipe, baked for at least 70 years on all types of ovens, took much longer to bake, passed the tooth pick test, was sticky on the top center, and crumbled when sliced - a chicken and rice casserole never got done; I used the rice cooker to finish cooking the rice and the chicken was too tough to eat - two cake mix cakes, in which I adhered *exactly* to all directions, were baked using the shortest time indicated; they were full of tunnels, extremely dry, and tasteless How To Estimate Your Oven’s Swing 1. Position an oven thermometer in the center of the oven. (Cooks Illustrated recommends a CDN Oven Thermometer... of course Amazon has them.) - - - do not open the oven door until the test finishes - - - 2. Set your oven to 350*, and let it heat up for an hour. 3. Choose a start time. 4. Every 5 minutes (4 times in 20 minutes) note or take a pix of the oven thermometer. 5. The highest and lowest temperatures registered represent the oven swing. Note: technicians use a special tool to measure oven swing that is much more accurate. Phew! Time to return to my research!