Sorry hit submit by accident. Here are the plans. Thanks everyone!

Is this new construction? can we see the layout of this whole level of th ehouse?

The little family5 and bed5 rooms. If you rearranged that just a bit, you could rough in a doorway from bed5 to the family5 for future access and then that area could easily be transformed someday to an amazing suite for future needs. ... just a thought.

Hey benjesbride, this is a remodel. Entire floor plan attached. Directly above is study, guest room. Thank you!

For the kitchen - it is somewhat similar to what we are doing on a less grand scale. Please consider putting the wine frig somewhere else - perhaps to the right of the clean up sink with a nice glass cabinet for glasses above-, sliding the mixer over in its (the wine frig) place and placing a trash pull out where the mixer is now. I truly believe you will regret not having trash directly at your prep area.

ETA the island eating area. If that is your only place for eating, it doesn't seem particularly social - always eating and not looking at each other. It looks like you want storage there, but I would think there is a way to make some sort of table seating more conducive to conversation and interaction as you enjoy meals together.

Better minds than mine will make better ideas - but something like this maybe . Lots of storage under those benches.

I would prefer something like this. If the stairs are open, I would angle the top of the storage beside them to match the angle of the steps. I would probably do a smaller table with leaves so it is only extended that far when the extra seating is needed as I'd rather have aisle space between island and table on a daily basis. The green lines indicate the size I would make the island.

Thanks nightowl and funkycamper! Should have shown in drawings, but we will have a 10-12 person dining table out in great room. Kitchen eat-in would be for breakfast and quick weekday family meals.

Cool. But I'm still not fond of the huge island that will be difficult to reach across and clean in the middle of nor a second island for seating. A more reasonably sized island and a separate table that gives you more flexibility still makes more sense to me as well.

Oh, you can keep the mixer next to the prep sink if you desire if you put trash under the sink. I agree trash needs to be in the prep area where it's actually generated.

Oh, I wasn't thinking about a mixer lift cabinet, just storage, then placing the mixer on the counter (I keep mine on the counter all the time). If you're planning the mixer lift, then it might be better on the corner of the island, in the blank spot where the MW drawer was. With it beside the oven there would still be room for anyone to veer right from the hall and go around, but if you're in the prep area, you don't want them passing through your work area.

I was thinking that baking prep would be done between the clean-up sink and oven, with filled cooky trays/loaf bans lined up on the island, waiting their turns.

Can you post an as-built drawing of the existing floor plan to see what you're starting with?

Definitely agree with uc trash near sinks and island prep area, as well as cabinets for glassware.

The range/cooktop I want is 48". :) Is 3' countertop total enough for 2 sides of the countertop? Thoughts on range on island near a sink?

Hi benjesbride, here is the as-built for the ground floor. We are moving the layout around quite a bit. As you can see we will push out the kitchen to the existing beam (to the east). Hope it's helpful, thank you.

Good kitchen planning info--New to Kitchens? Read me first.

Marcolo's functional flow thread.

NKBA guidelines.

12" on one side, and 15" on the other side of a range, are the minimum landing areas recommended by the NKBA, but IMO neither is enough, especially when one side will have traffic passing by it. 18" is better, and you'll be prepping across from the range, so you do have adequate space for that.

As for the range on the island, if the island is 11'3", you'd need at least 18" on one corner (IMO, but 24" would be better), then the range, leaving 63-69" for prep space and a sink. You'd need to put the sink on the corner, or very close, to have adequate prep space on the island, or have a prep sink on the fridge wall, where you'll be looking at the wall as you work. And you'll need a higher cfm hood, because you won't have a solid wall to help contain HOGS (heat, odors, grease, steam).

I think the range on the island would look better centered, which means prep would be on the fridge wall.

I see you don't need the 2nd DW, so we don't need to account for it.

Wow. That is a major overhaul. Is it cheaper to work within the existing footprint instead of adding on where the deck to be demo'd is?

ETA: when I wrote this I didn't yet realize the scale of this house. It looked like you were adding on a main floor guest suite. Of course you're not adding on, this house is huge. :-)

I must admit I find the proposed size of the kitchen totally overwhelming. To me, the existing footprint seems nicely sized. I guessed it is about 13' across?

It looks like you have a pretty property to look at. I was thinking it would be a better perspective to sit at the counter with your back to the walkway and stair rather than your back to the great room windows.

The Ikea software I use is limited so it looks a bit wonky. You have enough space to have generous aisle widths (approx. 54-60 inches) and still enough space remains that the island could have extra deep base cabinets (30") instead of standard depth (24") plus overhang space to comfortably seat about 7 people without encroaching on any of your existing walkway to the great room. And the view from the seats would take better advantage of your windows.

Using the existing footprint...

Yes existing kitchen is about 20'-9" by 12'7". Here is an early sketch showing a new layout within that size in combination with a small addition where the current deck is located (pushing out the entry wall).

The view through the windows would be more pleasant for the prepper and the diners. While I don't care for a cooktop or range on an island, this plan would give you the extra wall oven:

Would the other island be used for serving? Storage of dishes and serving pieces? Craft projects?

If the second island was made one cabinet deep, the large island could be moved up and centered on the window wall, where the windows are centered and symmetric from the exterior:

Images of double island kitchens.

Just out of curiosity, what's happening to the wood burner?

Is guest parking on the existing front entry side of the house or is guest parking near the garage door? Have you eliminated the idea of keeping the side entrance?

So as I was making breakfast and getting the kids ready I couldn't help but think about your house. I had an idea and had to quickly put it "to paper" to get my creative energy out. I hope you don't mind.

I'm just throwing this out and I know that it could be the worst idea ever; the other day I suggested a person move their side door and my proposed location ended up being one story above grade. Whoops.

My assumptions are that this is a large scale renovation on a home with a gorgeous view and you want the main entrance to be facing the same way as the garage and emphasize the view

I moved the garage.

Switching things around to create a guest bed and family room trying to simplify hallways.

Benjesbride! Sorry was offline for a few days, mad dash to get things ready for Thanksgiving. I basically went through very similar ideas and thoughts for the front entrance. We had a structural eng come in on Mon AM to review and it seems like the cost of changing the front entry to enter near the garage vs. extending stair (and having to build out current front entry w/ new foundation) will be probably similar. The only benefit is that the parking area is near the garage (kind of perpendicular) and having the front door there will be the quickest way into the house. People come over to our place and are always confused on how to enter the house, sometimes trying to enter from the west (left) side of the house. Plus, the garage side of the house (really back of the house but what visitors see first) is too 2D it needs something to give it a bit more dimension.....so, I think we will keep the entry coming in from the south, next to the garage.

Our architect got back to us w some tweaks we made based on all the great comments from the forum. Benjesbride, nightowl, mamagoose, funkycamper as suggested, we decided to make much smaller islands (we taped it out on the floor and the thoughts of sourcing countertops that size made me swoon) and keep the footprint of the new space but have the islands inset more, so the foyer is larger.

The first island closer to the great room will be for eating and the second island will be dedicated to prep and cooking. More comments welcome! (The "mystery appliance" will be hanging cabinets to hold glassware, dinnerware....I gave in as I do think it will be more practical as nightowl suggested.)

I found this Houzz article on super long kitchen islands useful and gave us the idea to have the island to keep it in line w the rest of the kitchen, but much more sociable seating as nightowl suggested.

https://www.houzz.com/magazine/what-to-consider-with-an-extra-long-kitchen-island-stsetivw-vs~23063218

PS, nightowl, we have moved the guest room around to allow for future access to the family room as you suggested, great idea thank you!

@benjesbride- the house was configured for 2 retirees, with only 2 bedrooms believe it or not. won't work for our family of 5 + grandparents who visit for long periods!

Thanks everyone and Happy Thanksgiving! :)

@mama goose, we will remove the wood burner stove from the kitchen. Hubby is thinking about moving it downstairs to the walk out basement to use in the future. We also have 2 other woodburning stoves in the bedrooms we will swap out to modern wood burning fireplaces. There is actually a circular 8 foot diameter wood/gas fireplace in the middle of the great room (!). This house was designed like a ski lodge but without any snow where we are in the peninsula south of San Francisco.

Thank you--good to hear that you're keeping it.

I would make one small change on the fridge wall. I'd put the prep sink on the corner, to provide more counter area for prep. You don't need landing space on the right side, and I think you'll come to appreciate the extra prep space. You will also be able to open the trash pull-out and scoop debris directly into the can from the counter. If you feel you need a drop zone just inside that entry, you can have an integrated cutting board that fits the sink opening and doubles as counter space.