I'm with you. If they are in pots I'm sure they will be fine. My ARE roses are coming mid January 2016 because they have to be bare rooted to get into Oregon and it worked fine last year. This year it will be more teas so I hope that works as well as the Chinas and OGRs of last year. No we're not obsessive.

I'm glad I'm not the only one. A few weeks ago I bought Wife of Bath at Heirloom's Austin sale. Another one I had been considering was The Countryman. I took it off the list when I read in Clair Martin's book on English Roses that it got big in warm climates. I wasn't sure I wanted a thorny monster.

But I kept looking at pictures of the flowers, and finally I just couldn't resist anymore and ordered it yesterday.

I love all the shades of pink, and that the flowers look like little peonies. Clair Martin did say this one can be pruned hard to keep it in bounds, so I just hope the blooms are plentiful and fragrant enough for the trouble.

Oh, and did I mention I also bought Rose du Roi and Marbrée last week? Yeah, I've got it bad.

The Countryman

I also have Ascot, Florentina and Blairii # 2 coming from Palatine next week. I hope multiflora understock works here. My ARE 1/16 order is the size of Nik's big order. I may need to stop. Spring is DA & Greenmantle. This sounds like a learning experience. I will need to stop this soon.

I have finally stopped (kicking & screaming all the way), it is not a happy time. Boo-hoo, woe is me. Roses will have to die before I can order any more.

Jane

You could always make rude remarks and sneer at a couple of roses so they are weakened and die. Or you could give a couple of roses to friends who will think you are wonderful. If all fails, just drop kick the ones you don't like over the fence. Roses that is, not your friends.

Oldrosarian, you are so wise. If it ever stops raining I will implement one of your ideas, I've already given away 2 Fairies & several others I can't remember without checking my book. Perhaps I'll cast my eye over my Rugosas next.

Jane

I received my last two last week, Marie Pavie and International Herald Tribune. I absolutely, positively and for sure swear that I will not be buying any more roses in the near future. I am so deadly serious about this. Of course a rose could die, or be terribly diseased or suddenly look ugly, well you know what I mean....

Yes! I just received 6 roses from Rogue Valley yesterday. I will pot most of them up, but I might plant some. I also bought 8 roses at the Deep South District Convention in October and have planted a few of them.

For me, just two. One is "Second Street Tea", which is thought to be the same as "Graton Cemetery Pink Tea" (a place with meaning to me). The other is 'Mme. Antoine Mari', to replace the one I lost. Sheila, if I lived that close to RVR and didn't have to go through the cost and bother of shipping, I wouldn't be able to stop!

Saved by climate change. Our winters have become so unreliable here that I no longer plant in the fall. Of course, this makes for a rather expensive spring...

Sheila, I have Blairii No. 2 coming with 15 friends from Palatine after Thanksgiving. I have never tried the multiflora rootstock either. Being in zone 7 near Mt. Shasta, I think we are practically neighbors! I've been eyeing all the beauties at Greenmantle but have never ordered from them, perhaps because printing out an order form and filling it out is less spontaneous than clicking a send button ;) Let me know how the roses are!

I'm so excited about it all, Anne. I'm mostly doing own root but the Palatine list had Ascot which I wanted to try. I'll keep you posted. Greenmantle is very nice and my plants are doing great from there. I've also loved RVR and have probably the largest number of roses from them. I'm afraid to go over there for fear of what may happen. I really admire Janet Inada for her RVR efforts.

I saw this post and thought, Hey! Where's that order from Rose Petals that I placed a few weeks ago? Sitting on my porch, as it turns out--just delivered today.

We got Paul's Himalayan Musk, White Pearl in a Red Dragon's Mouth, and Secret Garden Musk, for which last one I blame Jeri, whose post on the subject bumped this rose from "Want to Have" status up to "Need to Have."

I'm anxiously anticipating showers of fragrant white petals a couple of springs hence.

Oh that is beautiful! I'm so looking forward to it. Thank you for posting the pictures! I actually like roses with lots of thorns as I have woods without fences and plant them in areas that I don't want anyone coming. Good to know about the canes and how they get tough. Where did you originally get the rose from?

Thank you oldrosarian because I have one coming from Palatine too (shipped today) that will be a twin of Anne's. Does it repeat bloom? Anne we do live close to you. I'm 30 miles from the California border.

I'm 9 miles from the City of Mt. Shasta, I go to Medford occasionally to fly and also to shop. :)

Is your garden new too? I've been a few miles west of Medford for a year.

I ordered mine from Peter Beales in England. Ah yes. Those were the days when I spent all my money on roses. The import duty was horrible. It is a once blooming Bourbon, with a very strong scent, but it mainly blooms once and then when mature, throws a few scattered flowers. This climber is known to be a mildew magic, but it throws it off and keeps on trucking. Because I am in the area of rain, it never interfered with the flowers.

Sheila, Yes, I just started planting across the creek last January. I had bulbs and iris only and a couple of fruit trees, but have been clearing brush and planting roses. We have had this home for about 10 years but as it was a part-time vacation home I only planted things that didn't need water. As I spend most of my time there now, I started gardening and watering in previously unlandscaped areas. Having a blast. The garden is being formed a bit at a time but I have visions of grandeur (perhaps delusions). So far so good. I am loving the journey I have been planting other things too, especially in the shady areas. I worked outside in my career as a soils engineering technician which I can no longer do because of neck and some other issues but gardening keeps me outside where I thrive. Shall be fun to see our gardens mature! Oldrosarian, I wish Peter Beales still sent to the US. Being inland I haven't seen much mildew on anything except some lungwort I bought in the sale section which already had it. Hopefully the same will hold true for roses.

I'm so looking forward to hearing about your progress! I am here since 9/14 and starting with some existing trees, Olives, grapes, iris, day lilies, wildflowers and shrubs but adding fruit trees, perennials and roses. I agree this is a blast! I get to plant what I've been dreaming about for years but have never seen in person (in most cases), and still can't pronounce.

Anne, I do hope you and Sheila are taking lots of before pics. It is wonderful to see the progress.

I'm thinking of taking a french class for the very reason that I cannot pronounce the french names. However, then you throw in Southern pronunciations and get Nak-uh-tish Naw-say out of Natchitoches Noisette. and since so many roses are named for people, the pronunciation can be however that family decides. Spanish doesn't help much in the rose world :)

People really say naw-say for noisette? That one is fairly easy: nwah ZET (rhymes with pet).

Did Marie Antoinette like her noisette?

Some book I read said that was the pronunciation in parts of the South, I personally don't know. But I can botch words with the best of them!

I can here volunteer that the Charleston descendents of Philippe Noisette pronounce their name Noise-ETTE. Not Nwah-zette, like the hazelnut. My guess is that this is may be the old French pronunciation, rather than a Southernized version. This area had a lot of French Huguenots as well as refugees from the Haitian revolution in the 1790's, so we have a lot of place names with old-fashioned French pronunciations.

For example, in modern French, the word 'beau' is pronounced to rhyme with 'go', but English-speakers borrow the old French when we say 'beautiful', and pronounce the first syllable 'byoo'. So Beaufort, SC is pronounced BYOO-furt, but Beaufort, NC is pronounced 'BO-furt'.

I don't expect any of you to stop saying Nwah-zette, but if you ever hear someone saying Noise-ETTE rose, don't sneer- that may be how it was originally pronounced.

Virginia

Sorry if I gave the impression I was sneering, but I was really just curious. Getting "say" out of "sette" seemed strange. All I could think of was that period in the 80s or 90s when it became popular to "frenchify" the store name Target to Tar-ZHAY. And with well known examples like Antoinette or Annette, it seemed odd that "say" would come up.

As far as the pronunciation of Noisette goes, anything is possible, but I wonder if it has simply been anglicized or partially anglicized. There are a lot of French names where I live, including my own, Lavergne, which have been anglicized. Even though I know full well my last name should be pronounced Lah-vair-nyuh, I pronounce it Luh-vern as in Laverne and Shirley as does everyone else I know, including my French speaking family. The ONLY time I might hear someone say it the "right" way would be if a really old French speaker asked my name, and they repeated it back to me in French deliberately as if they were saying, "This is who you REALLY are."

The same goes with a lot of the other names around here like Bertrand, Daigle. There are others, though, that are still mostly pronounced the French way: Hebert, Trahan, Savoie, Angelle. However, if you travel ninety miles or so north or west of this area, you hear them being anglicized to Hee-burt, Tray-han, Suh-voy, etc.

And sometimes, of course, they will pronounce it differently whether or not they know if the other person is from a French speaking background or not. My great grandmother was a Latiolais. So to some people she was a Latch-oh-lay, to others lah-tee-oh-lay.

Then there are cases like Begnaud where the first half is anglicized, but the second half is still pronounced "oh" rather than "awd" which I guess would be how someone with no French would go for.

This reminds me of a day in French class. We were reading passages from Madame Bovary, and someone pronounced her name to rhyme with ovary. Oh boy, the look on Madame's face was just as if someone had drawn fingernails across a blackboard. She stopped them and said, in French of course, "Please, please! It's Boh-vah-REE, not Bovary," and she rhymed it with ovary and drawled it out in such a funny way that we were all laughing.

bellegallica, I wouldn't suspect you of sneering, and you may well be correct that Philippe Noisette did 'Americanize' his name after moving to Charleston from France via Haiti. I strongly suspect that family pride (and business considerations) would have prevented later generations from altering the pronunciation, however. Mr. Noisette apparently had a nursery in the Charleston area that was still run by his descendants until the mid-20th Century according to one source I encountered, so having the name attached to a business of long-standing probably means the pronunciation remained the same through the years. I think I need to find a reference librarian who could find out more info about that nursery and what sorts of plants they sold, etc.

There is a difference of opinion, apparently, about whether the Noisette class was named for Philippe or his Parisian brother, Louis, but if Noise-ETTE wasn't an Americanization, it seems reasonable to suppose Louis pronounced their surname the same way. Louis had a nursery in Paris, Philippe had a nursery in Charleston... were they affiliated or separate? I don't know, but I'd like to.

I'm hardly an expert in French phonology and its history, but I know pronunciation has changed quite a bit since the earliest French settlers in the U.S. and Canada arrived, so some old place and family names with 'quirky' pronunciations aren't so much Americanized as antiquated. Though some have certainly been changed to suit local preferences, as you've noted. Nothing new there- think of Hardy's Tess Durbeyfield.

I agree that the Naw-say pronunciation is strange, and I haven't heard that one myself, but wouldn't discount the possibility. I've shopped at Le Tarzhay, myself...

As for the original topic, I'm not planning to get any more roses this year; if I were a sensible person, I'd add "or ever again", but I'm not that sensible! I seem to have accumulated a lot of young roses in the year and a half since my first roses, and probably should wait a good long time to see how they progress. But did I mention that I'm not that sensible?

Thanks,

Virginia

After the last post I remembered a funny example from work, the sensitivity/ambivalence toward our funny French names.

Someone with the last name DeCuir came up to the desk. (Cuir is French for leather.)

I had to say her name to verify, and I was already cringing because the Americanization I had heard the most, and the closest to French (though still way off) was DeQueer. Oh boy.

So I say, "_____________ DeQueer?"

There was a small sigh, and the answer, "It's DeCure."

"Sorry."

I thought that was pretty cool because doesn't animal skin have to go through some curing before it becomes leather? So I mentally filed that pronunciation away for the next time.

Telling coworkers about it later, someone said, "Yeah, but one of the daughters pronounces it DeSear." (Like searing beef.) And I thought that was pretty cool, too, because if you sear beef long enough, doesn't it become leather? :-)

Yep, I'm done with buying roses for now. But I still have an impossible to find one on my list that I will snatch up as soon as it's available. It has a pretty French name, Étoile de Mai (Star of May).

Yes, even when we say we are buying no more roses, there is usually an exception for any roses you have a special yen for, and which is not readily available. I hope you do find an Étoile de Mai. The name made me think it might be a once-bloomer, but I see that it's a rather lovely and fragrant Polyantha.

I see that Rose Petals Nursery has a coupon code for 15% off through Monday (code is thanks15), and the offer is for roses shipped or picked up this calendar year. The phrasing is a bit odd, so it might be okay to e-mail and ask if 'EdM' will be available to ship this year, and if you can wrangle a 15% discount on it...?

Good luck,

Virginia

..all these pronunciations are making me giggle... it's quite amusing to see the differences.....with 'Blush Noisette' the rose, I tend to go with the first word, so as that's English, I pronounce this Noise-ette, but if it was called 'Blanc Noisette'...I would probably go with the French way...

..however, contradicting myself, with the rose 'Blanc Double de Coubert'.... I find it's so much easier to say Dubble de Koobert.... perhaps only to myself.?

...when I was in South Dakota, there is a little town called Belle Fourche, north of the Black Hills there....and I was saying it the French way - wrong !... I was quite taken aback - shocked - when a lady I was talking to called it Belle Foosh.... I was thinking...where on earth is that...??

Anne, are you still gardening? I miss your posts.