Back to the drawing board....Layout help please?!?
Kimmy_MA
8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago
Hello All,
I posted back in September asking for design ideas/layout help for my kitchen and got some great ideas. However, after much thought we've decided to try replace and work around old and existing large windows. We are able to move the laundry and bathroom to another area, so that's frees up a lot of square footage. I've also fine tuned the measurements.
I am completely head over heels in love with mommytofive's Dutchwood kitchen (courtesy of Buehl) It ticks ALL the boxes for me... Sort of an unfitted look pieced around big old windows. Can you help me fit this kitchen, or something very close to it, into my space?
While exploring, we found the lower left window boarded up behind the wall. The window facing the back yard was a single before someone jammed TWO in the space. We are replacing the windows according to old photos. I can't open the bearing wall between the DR and the kitchen. I'm not married to the idea of the sink under a window. I'd like an island with a prep sink and seating for at least three. It's a busy kitchen with three young kids. We are home all day.
Appliances: (changed from initial post)
64" Frigidaire twin fridge/freezer (26" depth)
30" Gas range with 36" hood
24" Bosch DW
33" Farmers sink (Kohler Whitehaven?)
24" Microwave drawer
Many thanks in advance for any and all assistance rendered!
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Kimmy_MA
8 years agolast modified: 8 years agoHere's the initial layout I'd done, unashamedly, totally using the layout from the inspiration kitchen and Buehl. But where/how does pantry space fit in?
ETA: All aisles are 44". More space behind stools at island.
I added one more matching window for a marginally improved view to the yard.
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Comments (15)I like the reorientation bmorepanic has drawn. That snack/coffee bar divider helps with the 2-island issue. I would not put a pantry right next to a SXS fridge, though. Personally, I don't like undercounter MW, so I would probably put it next to the fridge where the pantry is. How big are the dish drawers in the island? I am having a hard time determining dimensions of your island? I realize you're trying to provide visual balance, but in my cleanup zone, I think it's important to have the trash on one side of the sink and the DW on the other. That way, someone can clear the table and scrape the plates, while someone else rinses and loads the DW. Maybe you could put the dish drawers on the side of the fridge that is closest to the sink, and put a smaller drawer bank and the DW on that side of the island, then put the trash and another smaller drawer bank on the other side? I know everyone here seems to like giant drawers around here, but I really love my 18" 4-drawer stack and my 18" 3-drawer stack. One on either side of the sink would be perfect for storing clean towels/cloths, cutlery, foil, baggies, kids' dishes, baking utensils, knife block, tupperware and lids, etc. I love having my tupperware and lids in drawers, BTW. I never have lost lids and small bowls anymore....See MoreBid $140,000 ack! Back to drawing board...layout help please.
Comments (10)Elyse, I am so glad you are at home here. It often feels like a family because we understand each other and value honest-to-goodness quality over flashy bits of less consequence. A handmade gift that you will lovingly treasure and use says a lot about your relationship. I'm glad you like the plan! The Napanee is the baking center. It has all the ingredients, measuring cups & bowls, rolling pins, etc. Elyse & Rhome, I am not sure where the dishes will go. We have just a few. The first and second shelf of a wall cabinet holds all I need. They could go in the cab to the right of the sink, the cab to the right of the cooktops or the end cab in the island. I got rid of my barrier island! Rhome, I though you would notice that right away. :D I could put in a third sink, but that seems like overkill in this size kitchen. Moving the island sink toward the cooktop would decrease the prep space. Kat, I love the image of a jewel box kitchen! Keep the faith for continuing to work on your dream house. Our first remodel was 21 years ago. Our second chance finally came. Yours will too. What has happened is kind of funny. When we began planning this project two years ago DH had uneducated expectations. The kitchen was planned for the middle of the house because the room where the kitchen is now could not be adapted to a new kitchen, and it was isolated from everyone and everything. The room was too small, had too many functions and had too many openings. The estimates from the big box stores were higher than what he hoped would be the entire project would cost. He thought three rooms would need remodeling if the kitchen was moved. If the kitchen was in the back of the house (where it is now), only two rooms would need work. He didn't consider laundry and a way to get into the house from the garage. He doesn't cook or clean or do laundry; how was he to know what I needed? He knows now, I am always saying, ''see, this is why I need a new kitchen''. hehe When the bids came in so high, I decided to take another look at the first idea. I am happier with the simpler plan and the kitchen in the middle of the house. So, we'll see what happens tomorrow. Judy...See MoreBack to the Drawing Board - Please help! (pic heavy)
Comments (7)Your space is very similar to our current kitchen, except that we have a breakfast room instead of the backyard on the other side of the door, and one less doorway in the kitchen itself (it's just outside the kitchen instead). Is your circa 1970s, or older than that? (Layout looks *very* similar to the 1910s and 1920s bungalows where we live---I've been watching MLS listings for kitchen ideas ever since we decided to renovate!) We turned our layout inside out and upside down and ended up with something not too dissimilar from what we started out with. We do have our fridge on the wall where your pantry is now, and will in the new layout too---not my top choice but we ran out of places it would fit. Our bedroom's on the other side so we don't have the option of recessing it, unfortunately. Could you recess it into your bathroom and hide it with a built-in cabinet that looks deeper than it actually is, maybe? One house I saw with a very similar space to yours opened up the wall partially into the dining room to make a raised breakfast bar on the dining room side with a big pass-through window, and then a slightly lower counter on the kitchen side. They put their stove where your refrigerator is now, with cabinets on either side. I think the refrigerator was on the wall where your drop-leaf counter is. (A little hard to describe---I have a photo but not sure it's kosher to post since I have no clue whose house it is! If you send me a message I can email it to you, though---it's also cherry shaker cabinets with some sort of dark counter.) Alternatively, if you take that wall out all together---could you maybe do an island with your range there?...See MoreHelp please with my layout -- drawings inc.
Comments (22)Hi,I think the main trash would be better along the perimeter; that is where the baking center and main sink are. You will be unwrapping refrig'd and frozen food there. I guess that's where the cartons/boxes of room temp, frozen and refrig ingredients will be unwrapped, scraped, chopped, meat trimmed, cans opened and then mixed, arranged, sauteed, empty bottles of condiments, juices, whatever, will be tossed. I prefer the perimeter because I would not want to carry potentially wet, sloppy garbage across the aisle to the island. Your kitchen is huge compared to mine, with clearly defined zones, so two trash areas for two prep areas are not far fetched. Particularly because u/c trash can be in a cab as small as 12-15". Yes, I agree, that carrying a bag or moving a trash receptacle to a specific work/prep area is absolutely fine. After all, let us never forget that Julia Child had a large round trash can near her. But, unfortunately, she did not have the benefit of GW and the many posts on pull out, one action, trash disposal systems. Almost as an aside, a lot of the trash in my family is empty soda (pop) cans, water bottles, wine bottles, which has nothing to do with food/meal prep. And certainly mail, papers, junk. None of the drawn layouts have the prep sink in the island altho the posts talk about including an island sink. Where do you unwrap the pasta, near the cooktop? The boxes of ingreds? Unwrap and trim, cook, drain the meat, protein? Will you always cut/wash/trim veggies near/at the prep sink or near/at the main sink? Will you then cook the prepped veggies and the proteins at the big stove or oven. Uncooked veggies, where plated? Would you carry the prepped veggies, chopped onions over to the stove? Seems to be a long way. Re hip bump trash--there is a thread about door mounted trash pullouts with Haefele foot pedals or a gizmo attached to the pullout mechanism. The gizmo works on the same principle as a ball pt pen...but the soft close features need to be removed. The gizmo (that's the scientific 'industry term') sits in the back of the cab, and a bump of a hip into the cab door will pop out the cab door with the trash baskets attached--so no cruddy hands need touch the face or handles of our 4 million dollar cabs. Am I correct that the round 18" sink next to the Marvel frig is the aforementioned prep sink? If so, it's far from doughy hands, and cooking/heat zones. I don't know the kinds of foods you cook and that bears upon the kind of trash you have. Right now, we have a 17 yr old left at home....pasta in a box, with a fox, or in cellophane, or coated with orange K goop, aka mac/cheese. DH is anorexic-cares nothing about food and prepares his only meal of the day-at dinner,,,a sandwich on a bagel w/ pot chips and coke. Cooking has no magic for me anymore, ha! /what a shock! But you, babycakes, you bake and cook for 50!!! I will look for that hip bump trash thread and forward t'u. Trash s/b near......See More
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8 years agolast modified: 8 years agoCould you please let us know what the following dimensions are?
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8 years agolast modified: 8 years agoA minor tweak - I added an 18"W x 15"D Message Center. It can be an open cabinet or one that has doors that swing inside but can be closed if necessary.
I reduced the pantry by one foot (from 9' to 8' long), reduced the utility by 3", and the aisle b/w the PR wall and the Message Center by 3" or so. A 57" aisle is plenty big enough!
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8 years agolast modified: 8 years agoHere's one with the sink under a window. But, it sacrifices one of your old big windows for a larger one - and with a view of the garage. You can no longer fit the bistro table, but there is more storage overall b/c the sink run is now longer. You also have a secondary Prep Zone now.
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