Souvenir de Mme. Leonie Viennot
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Comments (7)Thank you, everybody! Elemire, the changeability of color is a characteristic of many Teas. Some people think this is what makes them so lovely. It is sometimes possible that different roses are sold under the same name because sometimes old roses are not ID-d correctly right away. Actually, speaking about IDs, that Mme Desiree Giraud is probably Baronne Prevost. There is a discussion about it on HMF. Apparently the thinking is that all so far known cultivars of Mme Desiree sported back to the parent:-(. I forgot about it when I was posting... Masha...See MoreChoosing a climber... so overwhelmed!
Comments (15)You're welcome! I love clematis, but you should be aware most are deciduous and require substantial pruning in winter. That's just fine in a garden setting where other plants take up the slack and fill the area while they are 'down'. Would that be acceptable on the front of your house? I fear to many people, they would just look 'dead'. They are and can be spectacular, but not as a primary "landscape element" against bare walls. I can't suggest whether the two roses in question would be suitable for your climate as I don't live and garden in your climate. As for whether planting Buff Beauty in a container would work for you, that's also highly climate variable. Most plants grow slower and attain significantly smaller proportions in shorter, cooler growing climates. What would make a suitable container specimen for you, may become a tree eater for me. Mr. Austin provided sizes for his roses in his early catalogs based upon how they performed in HIS climate. Graham Thomas, his "mannerly 5' X 5' shrub", quickly became a 15' house eater here. He was amazed when he visited the first few times and personally witnessed what his roses were capable of in a year round growing season where "winter protection" was primarily keeping them watered when it didn't rain. I did plant Buff Beauty, and several other hybrid musks and Cl. HTs in 22" and 24" pots, on obelisks when I worked at the beach. Roses grew more slowly there due to less heat and more fungal and insect issues, and could more easily be maintained as "patio plants" in containers. In my climate, they would very quickly outgrow those arrangements, becoming totally unsuitable very quickly. When statements such as that are made, you have to determine WHERE the statement is valid. It may easily not be where you are. What I can offer is, generally, Buff Beauty is going to perform better (mature, flower and repeat its flowering) in less direct sun and even fewer hours of indirect sun than CP Margareta. Buff Beauty is bred from R. multiflora. CPM probably isn't. The multiflora genes provide the ability to grow, produce food and flower in less light quality and duration than many other rose genes. Multiflora is an understory plant where it needs to be able to germinate, grow, feed itself until it can throw itself through the surrounding tree canopy out into the sun to flower, attract pollinators and reproduce. Buff Beauty is smaller flowered with fewer petals. Generally, smaller flowers with fewer petals require less energy and resources for the plant to generate and open than large blooms with many petals. Generally, smaller flowers of fewer petals can be generated faster, and repeated more quickly than larger, more heavily petaled flowers can. This is not to say CPM won't work for you. It might, depending upon the quality and duration of your sun and heat. But, in general, Buff Beauty may well perform better, providing more color, over a longer period if your light and heat aren't up to the threshold CPM may require. Ideally, someone who lives closer to you and who has tried them in conditions similar to yours can provide the definitive answer. Kim...See MoreAn attempt to fight exogenous and endogenous depression....
Comments (27)Comtesse thanks for your thoughts. A nursery bed is not a bad idea although it will need some initial investment. Also it won't help so much with giving roses an advantage since roses will need to be uprooted to be planted in their final spots. May be pots embedded in a nursery bed? Have to give this more thought. Can anybody join in with ideas? I don't know if lemons can have any long term acidifying effect in a compost. I suspect no. They should be a good source of potassium though. I have been known to dump rotting citrus in my compost pile. I would never add uncomposted lemons directly in the mulch. <Start O/T > We go wayyyyy back with the Germans at least back to 1832 when the powers the be installed a Bavarian prince as the King of Greece after Greece gaining independence from the Ottomans because they couldn't trust the Greeks to rule themselves... Well to be honest, many Greeks wouldn't trust other Greeks to rule them but that is another long story. The below link makes interesting reading.. King Otto of Greece (Btw, of sociological and cultural interest is the below pic depicting a 'greek revival' monument constructed in Munich in 1862 commemorating some of this stuff. Please compare the essence and psyche, not the superficial form of the architecture with the original Parthenon.... To me this pic carrries lot of significant connotations) Propylaeen in Munich <End O/T> Summers, I only buy bare-roots since I have to import most of the roses (as it stands now I cannot import anything bar the ones already paid for...). Great roses you're getting, I think some of them are not easily available in Europe. Yes, Daisy lives in Crete, although I suspect she may be facing half the problems since their income may be coming from the UK. That's only a guess though. I tend to feel very positive towards people who have volantarily adopted my country to live in, regardless where their income comes from and who learn to appreciate the good and bad things of life over here and have a good thing to say about the country and its people. I wish I could live in Crete btw....See MoreIs this Souvenir de Mme Leonie Viennot?
Comments (9)I've grown all the roses you listed (except for the apricot mini). I never saw SdMLV bloom, but I'm still (chortle) qualified to tell you how that rose differs from all the rest. SdMLV is a wanton hussy who grows humongously long canes that made me rethink ever wanting a climbing tea rose. How long? So long that they wanted to self peg themselves into the next flower bed DOWN THE HILL, fifteen feet away and they were trying to collect their own person by garrotting Larry and me when we tried to mow underneath that rose. Remember my 6b zone? Didn't phase SdMLV. Huge rose that I sited wrong for her size and that we took out before her roots would take over the entire rose bed. Yes, I knew her and will remember her always, from a distance....See Morenikthegreek
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jerijen
8 years agoMine has been into the ground for maybe 5-6 years. It was "rustled" from a Sierra Foothills cemetery.
Like most own-root Teas, it grew "out" for a few years, before it began to grow up. It is about 4.5 ft. tall now, and easily that across.
It is a BUSH. I can't imagine it requiring support. (I've never seen a Tea that needed support).Here is a photo of a mature plant of Mme. Lambard in the Sacramento City Cemetery. (The inset is the rose from which my cuttings came.) Though my plant is less-mature, its habit matches the one in the Sacramento City Cemetery.
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8 years agolast modified: 8 years agofduk_gw UK zone 3 (US zone 8)
8 years agoNot the best photo Nik, but I hope it conveys the habit. I'm not a good photographer so I struggled to get it in focus while being far enough away to get most of the canes in.
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