I think in all likelihood your macgillivrayi cutting will not make it. Never say never, but I have personally never saved a cutting that had lost all of its leaves. I'm curious where you got the cutting. There is an Ebay vendor right now selling Big Mac cuttings for $24.99 including shipping. He is using photos he took off from my website to sell his plants without my permission. Anyone who would use stolen photos might not have the best plant material to sell.

Not trying to justify the use of your photos, but he probably searched for the images on google and the ones from your website popped up. It's not really a bad thing. I would never think of photos of plants that i got from the internet to sell my stock as "stolen". But im not selling plants. Anything that i have sold on ebay i have took my owm photos, but it's not a complete sin to use pics from the net. Once they are out there you no longer have control.

All of the really good and reputable sellers use their own photos of the flowers, or if they do not have any then they show photos of the the foliage only. This is my opinion, and we will have to disagree on the photos used without permission as being stolen. That is why so many growers now watermark their photos. I choose not to so I guess I leave myself open to poaching.

But dont the flowers look the same on a specific hoya no matter what picture is used? If i used a pic from online to sell plants i would not think anything of it. Specific cultivars of plants pretty much look the same. The person who uses your pics may not know he is violating any rules and he may not know that you specifically took the pics or that him using them without your permission offends you. If someone told me to take down a pic that they took i would not have a problem with that. Maybe you can send him a message?

I dont think the pics anyone uses has any indication of weather or not they sell quality stock.

It can be is a misrepresentation of what they are selling. I recently found someone using photos of my imperialis to sell their version. My photos show my heavily blooming plant with three peduncles with 10 to 12 flowers on each. My hand is holding up a huge cluster of flowers. I contend that what they are selling is not my one in a thousand seedling plant capable of such floral displays at an early age, What they are selling is bound to disappoint and to lead people into believing that their vine produced those flowers when it did not.

I have also spent many hundreds of dollars on the photographic equipment and hours and hours to get just the right photo. We won't mention the time spent creating just the perfect environment to flower these plants. Sometimes it takes years to produce the results that I am looking for. That is why it just seems wrong to take someone else's work and pass it off as your own.

Back to the original question on the macgillivrayi losing all of its leaves, generally macs are among the easiest of all Hoyas to root so I'm wondering if the cutting was taken from material that was too new to strike roots.

I did not know so much was involved.

You actually grew a hoya from seed? Cool!

Please ask the seller to remove you photos and replace them with his won or others he finds online.

Thank you for going WAY off topic!!!!! I only asked if there was anyway of finding out if my cutting was dead or might still root? Not if someone on EBay stole a picture. Post your problem on EBay. I didnt pay $24.99 for my cutting on EBay. I just wanted help/advise with my possible dead cutting and ideas to save it, if any. Heres 1 of MY pics. of MY 'Mac' in bloom. ANYONE can use it or save it or sell it. I dont care. Its called giving to other hoya growers to enjoy.

It the leaves were green when you received the cutting...it should kept the leaves and eventually rooted,unless the medium was too dense or soggy,which would cause the leaves to drop.If the leaves were already yellowing when you received it,the cutting was already stressed and it prob wont survive.Keep it in a bright spot, with high humidity 70 to 80%. keep soil slightly moist and see if it will pull through.If it has been in the soil for a week before the leaves fell off...it may come back.If the stem is mushy and the base of the soil...its a goner from stem rot...to soggy soil.

well 1 leaf was yellowish when it arrived...with 5 leaves...but firm stem, I put it in 50/50 perlite and cactus soil.....it is outside in shade here in south Fla. so its hot and humid, moist soil, I got another cutting for free with the 'Mac' cutting, panted then together, it is still green and has leaves. I am going to dig them up in the morning, in case they have some tiny new roots, i dont want to rip them off. And see if either or both cuttings have roots at all. I know they arent in wet soil, I just hope I didnt let them get to dry.

IF i knew anyone on this site with any variety of 'Mac', that would trade/sell me 1 or more GREEN healthy cutting of 'Mac' I would do it. It is so hard to get this one, and 'Megablaster', and Archbolandia. I am going to try and post the pics. I have of MY Mac and Archbolandia pics. i have..i know i spelled them wrong, but these are the ones

They look great! I have yet to flower any of the big flowered hoyas.Be careful checking for roots.I have killed cuttings from being too impatient be moving the soil.The tiny hair roots are damaged and the cutting does not have enough power to make new roots...good luck! Jimmy

poohbearlvr, I have macgillivrayi if you want to trade. Send me your list to jansword@comcast.net

Poohbearlvr,

Im sure (VermontHoyas) meant no disrespect to your topic question. I don't know if you are aware of who he is but you can google Vermont Hoyas. His name is Doug and he will do anything he can to help someone with growing Hoyas. He is Known for growing, videoing, and photographing his Hoyas. If it can be done, Doug has tried it and videoed it for others to help them!

I'm sure nothing was meant bad by this! And he did respond that he didn't think your cutting would probably not make it. Like Denise said, we are all here to learn from one another!

Your Hoyas are beautiful by the way!! I hope the one makes it!! I have never got a Hoya that has lost all leaves to survive either! Sorry!

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well prattling on about photos on the net that aren't yours, isnt the topic of my question. i dont know who is 'Mr. Hoya' and who isnt. He added nothing to my question. You did more with your one line. I openly said...'anyone can use MY photos', i dont care. They are pictures of my hoyas and hopefully give some joy to others. I am proud that I got them to bloom. I would think if that person is SO important in the hoya world, he would be a bit more open with his pictures. They are not the Mona Lisa or a lost Rembrandt.

Sorry if I sound biter, I am upset at loosing my cutting, I so badly want another, and other BIG flower varieties,...but every 'hoya seller' is out of cuts and or plants, or charge a HUGE price for a tiny cutting. I dont have years and years to get the length to get spurs and blooms.

Now, PB, I'm just a little amused and I'm not sure if you're kidding with us... None of us know if we "have years and years to get" blooms... I've been growing these beauties since 1977 - I may or may not have lots of time to get blooms. It doesn't stop me. It doesn't affect where I get plants. I still participate in great trades with awesome cuttings, and sometimes I get puny cuttings and am annoyed. Take it in stride. Make another trade. Jan offered you a cutting - she's a great source!! Doug offered some insight to his experience, and others offered advice. I'm not sure why you feel so annoyed. We would love you to join us, but if you feel we aren't rigid and/or focused enough in our responses, perhaps we aren't your cup of tea...??

Denise in Omaha... relaxed, and loving Hoyas!!

Lots of negatives and sarcasm are the reason I left Gardenweb before. WE need more positives and caring in this Forum and all other Forums. Doug is a wonderful warm person. poohbearlvr. Please be kind! Some times we do go off topics.

it was WAY off topic and its my post asking for help. not discussing picture stealing. This is why i stopped posting and coming on Garden Web, until now, because people take it off topic and read every word as a an attack...i just wanted help with my hoya. :( i re posted the comments for all to enjoy.

wish we could have traded...like i said i dont have a large collection.,,,so i cant 'trade' to save my life. I ave to buy,.and no one,privately or company...other than in Thailand, is selling any BIG bloomers.

All we're trying to say, PB, is that it's no big deal when the topic wanders. See this as a conversation - you know how it is...you start one place and pretty soon you're talking about something else. This is what makes GW great! It's like this big online conversation that goes hither and dither (as my mom would say) and pretty soon, you're learning something about something you hadn't even fathomed that you would be talking about! You hope, of course, that you get your question answered, and I think you did. At least I made a paltry effort to do so...

And if you want to buy a biggish or small established mac, or if you want to buy a nice fresh cutting, you can e-mail me. Most of us here are willing to sell our cuttings even if you have nothing to trade! No need to go to eBay if you don't want to...

Denise in Omaha

i have been coming to GW for ....8 years and every time i post anything it gets taken over by someone/or others that have nothing to do with the topic. It just gets disappointing. I got my question answered, its done. I said thank you to the right 'answerer', and its done. Sorry if i came off 'ticked'..but it gets tiresome after all these years. I still dont know how to be 'gardenly' correct in the things i say.

PB, I think anyone here would tell you that I rarely involve myself in these little conversational tussles... We've all had our "tone" misread at some point. But I'm going to point out, at the risk of provoking you further, that the only "thanks" I saw was... and I quote... "Thank you for going WAY off topic!!!!" and..."Thanks for going off the rails and not giving me any help."

No one means to offend another by going off topic. If you want mechanical, straight-forward answers, google or wikipedia might be better searches. If you want human interaction, which involves friendly back-and-forth, we are the place to come!

i've email you denise...no reply yet. trying to reach out to you. didnt you get it yet?

Hi PB... I just responded. The e-mail associated with this account is my secondary, so I don't check it every day... Look forward to hearing from you!

Denise in Omaha

denise...no email from you in any account i have...not in spam or inbox. cant find a thing. as of 430pm Friday.

Just responded again - through Houzz. Let's see if you get it this time!

Denise in Omaha

I apologize to both "VermontHoyas" and "Poohbearlvr" for getting this entire thing started. I sincerely did not mean to offend anyone. Doug does seem like a very nice guy. I personally have not experienced years of patience and hard work to achieve an outcome i wanted only to have it taken from under me without permission and not given credit. I can definitely see how that can be aggravating.

"Maybe the unscrupulous seller is the one complaining that Doug is defending what is rightfully his."

Laticauda, if you are talking about me i can assure you that i do not sell hoyas.

lol dont worry about it. I just wanted to make sure. Im not offended.

i am lost...havent been in here in over a week. I get 5 copies of EACH note left here. But not mail sent to me. Haven't been online in days either. The cutting is dead, so i am TRYING to buy a growing plant of my 'Mac'. as a B-Day gift to myself . thanks for replies.

I will root one for you for $20.00 including shipping.

Jan, i should have had you root my cuttings!