Thanks Gerris, Happy New Year to you too! I am looking for the sweet woodruff for the lovely scent. It's a tough one to get trade seeds for, I know! Yes, Eupatorium Chocolate, please, browneyedsusan. I had a plant and it did not manage the drought so well, so it's time to replace and plant in a space it would prefer.

If this is a plant that you do not want growing where you do not want it to grow, it is a "weed", but if this is something you want growing where you want it to grow it isn't.

Deedles - first...a virtual hug for you. I haven't read all of the posts here, but some seemed a bit harsh. I hope that you don't become discouraged from posting here. You know, most of us have NEVER done this before and have limited knowledge...most of us go into this going, "I'd like to get a new kitchen and I'd like to get one that will look nice and last." Most of us have no IDEA initially of what really makes for a good or bad cabinet. And really, why would we? Most of us land here because we Googled something about kitchens and low and behold...you find a group of TKO individuals. And you begin to look at your kitchen renovation with completely new eyes, hopes, and expectations. There are many, many, many good things that I have gathered in my time here. But, I've also learned that in many cases some of the things we are obsessing over about cabinets often don't amount to too much when they are in place. We just tore out a kitchen that was installed in the 1970-ish era. It was old time melamine(?) type cabinets with a faux-walnut color. They were simple cabinets. The doors stayed closed with a magnet. The drawers were side slides and were nothing even remotely close to dove-tailed. And you know what...the cabinets were still perfectly functional. Nothing was falling apart. Now, I'm not saying that we shouldn't endeavor to get the best quality possible. But, there might be a little bit higher concern over things than the average person has. And if our "crappy cabinets" that were in our previous kitchen could stand up to 40-50 years of service, I'm hoping that these new ones might do the same. Hang in there. It sounds like your cabinet guy will work to provide you with what you want...you just might need to become better versed in the overall construction aspects than you intended and you'll have to detail those things out. And it might be a little higher cost than you initially planned. Good luck. Once again - hang in there. :)

Thanks, all. Bea, I read the link and will be more cautious. I was bitten about 6 yrs ago and am very cognizant of ant mounds. However, I was chatting with my neighbor while I was digging a hole and busy talking to him at the same time. I wasn't paying attention but I did not notice a ant mound. Might have been there but I really didn't see it. My flower beds are cleared of weeds and I have one section where I grow Milkweed. If I remember 6 yrs ago, the mound was in the same bed but I was attacked big time. They ran up my legs and I had so many bites. I remember trying to pull my clothes off out front of the house and really didn't care if any neighbors saw me! Jstropic, you made me think about this. I really did not see any ants. I felt my feet stinging and my ankles swelling and I ran for the house. I kicked my flip flops off and my clothes and jumped in the shower. While I was in the shower, I looked and didn't see any ants, but my feet/ankles were so swollen. After getting out I noticed these large blisters forming, like burn blisters. I thought that was odd as I didn't remember that from 6 yrs ago. I did put ice on the areas and some cortisone cream. My feet and ankles were so sore. After I got my wits back, I went outside to get my flip flops and looked at them carefully and found one ant which appeared to be biting the bottom of the flip flop. Weird, but that cinched it for me. It was ants. I looked up Nettles and it is possible that is growing in the area. I have a weed lawn! Its green and that's fine. I'm afraid to go out to the area where I was, to look. From what I read on-line, it says the nettle stings get better in a day. My feet are still full of these pimples and hurt. I have gotten a shoe on but it is not comfortable. From what I read on-line, you should not break those blisters. I read medical websites and they say the blisters protect the venom from entering the blood stream. They make a strong statement about that. They say to let the blisters dry up on their own. The only treatment is ice, cortisone type cream (patted on to not break the blisters), and time. They say not to cover the blisters with a shoe or sock to prevent the blisters from breaking. Soooo, I'm surviving and am thinking of hiring someone to look for those 'suckers.' I'm afraid to go back there. But, my pots of Milkweed are still sitting there without getting planted. I'm ready to go back to New York!