(Fire Dragon) Shantung Maple

8 years ago

I know they can be found in TX. I live in CA, but the owner said he doesn't bother with CA. Too many obstacles for it to be worth the hassle for him.

Does anyone know where I can find these outside of TX?

I don't know why Shantungs aren't used more, in CA. They do very well in SoCal outside of the desert. My sister has a truncatum/platanoides hybrid. I believe 'Pacific Sunset'. It's been in the ground for 12 yr's and is 20'. It handles our sodium and alkaline water better than any other Acer I know of. It doesn't show marginal leaf-burn until the mostly butter yellow fall colors start to show. Here and there even a splash of red.

Anyway, I thought 'Red Dragon' would be beautiful here. If anyone can help me out, I would appreciate it very much.

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ltruett

8 years ago

Pecci,

If you have some patience and time and don't mind growing trees from seed, I can send you some FD seed later this year. It germinates fairly easily and I have noticed that many of the seedlings have red fall color. Let me know and I'll save some for you.

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Pecci
Original Author
8 years ago
Well, I did find it at Sooner's, but no way would I come close to paying $200 w/shipping. Looks like I'll be settling for Norwegian or Pacific Sunset instead. Thanks anyway!
gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
8 years ago
Sorry that no one has responded to your post. These types of maples are not my specialty but the truncatum-platanoides crosses are excellent trees and should be widely available.

Have you tried calling local nurseries/garden centers to see if they carry the Fire Dragon or any other Shantung maple? Or try posting this request on the California Gardening forum to get some very local input.
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yes you are ... heavy ball upfront.. so when you emergency brake.. the ball hits the front ... have them tie them up ... and just lay them down.. and no two wheeling ont eh way home .... you can not stop for a 4 hour martini break.. and cook them in a closed truck ... stop where you can leave the doors open ... or in a shaded spot ... consider NOT planting them until fall ... either placing the pots in shade.. or planting pot and all until proper planting time ... if your soil allows proper drainage of the pot .... your real downside here.. is basically no warranty ... unless you will drive back ... call you nearest upscale nursery.. and find out if they will be getting a shipment for fall .. or will order some in for next spring .... EVERYTHING is available this way... and you dont have to rent a truck ... drive.. and have someone local for a warranty ... actually.. its not as uncommon as you might think ... plant collectors do it all the time ... there is no reason.. not to lay them down ... get over that part .... and buy as small as you can ... really.. anything over 8 feet.. is going to be a dice throw .. even if local ... which means you will need nothing more than a van.. or a very small uhaul trailer .... and do not buy a pot.. bigger than you can handle.. i dont really care if they sell 50 gal pots ... thats too big a tree for transplant ... let alone travel .... only once in my life.. did i have a plant loaded into the truck.. that i could not get out .. it didnt end up.. a pretty story ... lol ... if you cant hoik it into the truck.. then you cant get it out.. so dont buy it .... [those freaking young studs who loaded it.. didnt come home with the tree..] .... and i bought it in OH.. and brought it to MI ..lol ... [pick up with landau top] ken
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Pecci
Original Author
8 years ago
Thanks so much.

I'm in SoCal, where few people even plant trees anymore. No luck here, except a couple mtn. nursery's that will have Pacific Sunsets coming in late summer. Fire Dragon is grown in TX, and the owner told me that he refuses to bother with the state of CA. I will re-posrt in the CA Gardening forum. I really appreciate your attention.
Pecci
Original Author
8 years ago
ltruett,

Thanks so much. I would appreciate that very much, and yes, I have the time and patience ... fortunately! I couldn't find a way to PM you with my info, so if you like you can tell me how or you can contact me, if there's a way. Enjoy the wkend.
ltruett
8 years ago
Pecci,

I couldn't find a way to PM you either. Just leave your email address if you would like and I'll email you. Here is a seedling from last year.

Interestingly seed from this tree also seems to put out a lot of dwarf sized trees. I put a regular size leaf in the picture to compare in another seedling from last year.
Pecci
Original Author
8 years ago
I tried messaging you. Did you receive it?

Striking leaves. Thanks.
Pecci
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8 years ago
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8 years ago
Contact J. Frank Schmidt & Son nursery in Boring, OR. They carry a lot of Shantung maples. www.jfschmidt.com They are a wholesale nursery but they will advise you of nurseries in your area that carry their maples.
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lou_spicewood_tx
6 years ago
Try Munn's Nursery from Oregon - Munn is friends with the founder/retired of Metro Maples in Texas is a pretty small farm with only one worker to help the owner to maintain so many trees... ( I think?). http://www.munnsnursery.com/ The regulations from CA over shipping from other states is why nobody wants to deal with California anymore.
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Pecci
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6 years ago
Yes, CA is in a shameful state. They don't want to belong to the USA, any longer, until of course the next big fire, or earthquake! Right now, I have an Acer Truncatum 'Main Street'. It's doing well as far as marginal leaf-burn, but we have had very mild Falls with numerous SA Winds, so fall color has been weak. On the other-side of the yard is a rather newly installed Acer Rubrum 'Redpointe'. It did shockingly well. No leaf-burn until the fall coloring began, but still minimal. It turned a very nice orange-red, despite our very warm windy Fall.
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2 years ago
No fall color for my fire dragon. Purchased from sooners plant farms. It's about 15ft tall now. It was 5ft when I planted it 2 seasons ago!

More of yellow a brown.

Another maple I got from Mr Maple actually has some red leaves. Also a fast grower. The Acer oliverianum ssp. formosanum. Very heat tolerant.

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