sorry, having trouble getting the photo to post in original and orient correctly, will try to fix!

I'd switch the ovens and refrigerator and go to a regular depth appliance. 1) it's cheaper 2) it stores more food 3) the sticking out pantry will mask the fact that it is not counter depth 4) coming in from the garage it is a straight shot to put away groceries 5) it remains accessible to the DR and FR without people in the working area of kitchen during meal prep time.

I don't care for the sink placement, it feels strained there. What is outside that wall? Is there a window? If so, is it looking at siding or something nicer?

Thanks Mama Rachel. Our original plan had the fridge in the oven location (but ovens next to cooktop, way too crammed). My thought with it in the current location is that it is very easy to grab things for dinner table bc it would be quite a bit closer than next to pantry (about 10ft closer maybe due to table location). Where the double ovens are is a main thoroughfare for my boys to go in and out of the house from outside through garage, so I wanted to minimize the traffic blocking there. I rarely use the oven. Would a regular depth fridge make it too tight having bar stools at the island and then that being a major traffic area? I like the idea of a regular depth fridge, so if it isn't too tight I would definitely consider that option.

There are two windows above sink and one to right of sink. The windows have a southeast/south orientation and will overlook our patio/play area, lake and fields. It is the best views of our property and the only option for windows in the kitchen. Also the main natural light source for the kitchen/dining areas. Sink is actually going to be at least 6 inches shifted to left from what is shown in drawing. I have it too close to the corner for any type of corner cabinet.

I think you have a potential conflict between an open dishwasher and the trash pull out.

I like the idea that the fridge should be next to pantry, but it can't
be beside it because of the way the door opens. I'd put a MW snack
center in that space between the fridge and pantry, in this quick change
of plans. Then put the clean-up sink and DW on the short wall, where you
will prep with a view out the window. Finally, ovens at the end.

You could have a prep sink in the island, close to the range. A cutting board can be made to cover it when it's not in use. I removed the stool, but if you use the sink for secondary prep, no reason you can't have seating there at other times. With such a big family to feed (and help out), it would be nice to have that extra prep zone.

homechef - thanks, that's on my list to ask the cabinet maker. I was especially wondering even more about conflict between having open dishwasher and dishes storage in drawer across from island. I've seen several on GW post this set up, but wondering if it truly "works" for my space. Maybe if I had 5' instead of 4' aisle, but not enough room in our current plan for that.

mamagoose - thanks for drawing in some suggestions, you have definitely given me some things to consider. I like that it does truly give separate prep areas and solves my problem with having enough uppers for dishes over sink. I'm wondering if the fridge at that location will pose a traffic flow problem since that is main intended thoroughfare to outside for my kiddos? My inlaws have a fridge in a main traffic area that always causes problems, so I may be overly sensitive to this. Also, it's a lot longer distance to my dining room table. I'm thinking of how many times a dinner I'm back at the fridge for ketchup or more applesauce or milk or or or.....! Not too many more years before they are old enough to get it for themselves though. : )

I think the fridge in the walkway will be a problem just with people going in/out. Then there's that it is farther from DR/FR. As is it goes ice, water, stone, fire - as is best.

How about 1 of those small corner mws w/ the rounded back? To fit right into your corner space. Or on a mw shelf under an upper cab next to fridge.

I do think putting in a prep sink now would be best and cheapest. The kids grow up and will hopefully help. and kids multiply when they have friends over... and during those family dinners someone else can help with the prep.

on the dw and storing glasses over it - not easy to reach that cab with the dw door open anyway. How much space does the dw door take up? someone? a drawer across from it for dishes/glassware most likely won't need to be fully pulled out to put things away.

A French door refrigerator will take up less aisle space when open. The pantry shows a pocket door. That's good.

Valid concerns about the fridge in the walkway, especially if you have a lot of traffic through the mudroom during meal prep. I like the snack center and fridge on the same side as the island seating, and I was trying to get a full depth fridge since you often cook for crowds. You'll have more space in a standard fridge--do you have a second fridge elsewhere? You might consider a 36" CD fridge--those little kids will be ravenous teens before you know it. (Editing: I missed a faint mark on the plan--I see your fridge is 36".)

Traffic from the MR will be a problem if you're unloading the oven, but as you say, you don't use it often. My range is not in a traffic pattern, but with a small grandson, I'm in the habit of calling out, "Oven open--everybody stay clear!" I bake a lot of bread in a hot oven, so it's second nature now.

With the fridge on the corner by the LR/DR, a prep sink in the island might become your primary prep area.

Just wanted to chime in with the thought that if you don't use the oven much, you might want to consider a range so that your oven is below your cooktop.

ediblekitchen - I lobbied for that as I'm very short and really prefer a range. Also for the cost savings. So far I have lost the battle due to the fact that we will host the large holiday meals every so often and husband (and other relatives who take their turn to host) are convinced we will hugely regret not having the second oven. I considered the speed oven to use as a secondary oven for special occasions, but since it is so expensive and we would primarily use it as a microwave I wasn't sure it would be a wise investment.

What size range are you planning to get? There are some ranges that have 2 ovens.

Here's a GE Profile PGS950SEFSS

I know they're not for everyone, but something to consider.

ediblekitchen - 30" gas cooktop. Originally planned 36", but decided to save some space when we had to cut a foot from the kitchen. I did originally look at those ranges with the double oven, but was worried it was going to be awkward across from island with the larger oven opening basically on the floor. I don't know anyone in real life who has one, so I was hesitant to commit if it wouldn't function as hoped.

Edited: If it will improve the function of my kitchen, I would definitely consider it. Not sure at this point if it would or not - if I keep the layout above, it would mean losing the drawer storage for my pots/pans under the cooktop. Not sure where else they would go then - susan corner I guess?

I would love a second oven, but it would have to go in my mudroom, lol. If you have room for a wall oven, then try to keep it, I've read that they are more comfortable ergonomically, and you can always lock the door for a few seconds. ;) Also, I think the choice is usually for gas cooktop and electric oven. I've never used the range with two ovens--the bottom oven does not look as if unloading it would be comfortable, but my BIL and SIL have one, and they like the smaller oven for baking frozen pizza.

I think the double wall ovens PLUS microwave are causing some layout problems in your space. If you don't anticipate using the second oven very often, and opt not to get the double-oven range ediblekitchen posted, how about getting a regular single-oven range and then putting the second oven in the mud room? If you only use it occasionally, I think that makes the most sense. This way you only have to find space for the microwave. I suspect this will make planning a layout that is both functional and aesthetically pleasing without blocking aisles much easier.

I'm considering putting a counter top oven on a shelf in my laundry/pantry room just off my kitchen as I only need the second oven maybe once or twice a month. I just don't think it makes sense to take up precious kitchen space for such a large item that only gets occasional use. I also have my small counter top microwave in there but it sounds like you use your microwave more frequently than I do so that may not work for you. If you are frugal like I am, you'll like the prices for them more than for built-ins as well.

Here's a link to the Breville counter top ovens to give you an idea of what I mean and size and price. Of course, there are other brands. I just continually read such good reviews about these. Breville

Thanks everyone. Funkycamper - I have never had one of the toaster ovens, but I find the one you linked to really appealing since I often use a slow cooker, etc. This is an option I hadn't considered yet for the second oven.

The caveat is, I'm not sure going to a range increases the functionality of my kitchen all that much. I'll gain counter/cabinet space on a wall that isn't a prep area (where the ovens were). I'm not sure what else I would do there to make that not a wasted space? I will lose the drawer storage near the cooktop which I really need. I'd like to do my pots/pans in drawers under the cooktop. I think I could put them in a drawer stack to the right of the range, but wouldn't be as much room I think.

After discussing with my husband, I think the fridge needs to stay in the corner near living/dining and out of the walkway towards the mudroom. (unless there is a layout I haven't thought of yet) But we really want to keep it out of that main walkway.

Anyone have thoughts on prep sink vs no prep sink? Improving/maximizing storage for my dishes, etc? I'm pretty practical and want to have them stored where they make sense to use them.

Funkycamper - I've gone down the rabbit hole. I'm wondering if one of those countertop ovens wouldn't replace how we use the microwave and pretty much solve the microwave problem. Also seems I could use it for slow cooking and toast, so eliminate those two appliances also? I'm really intrigued and think it might function very well for us. Now to figure out if a range creates cabinet problems though with storage in that area, as mentioned above.

You could still do a cooktop with storage for your pots and pans underneath and then do a single wall oven under counter in a separate location. This would also have the added benefit of not having congestion around the cooktop/oven during holidays. And then you'd also have your counter top oven in the mudroom or elsewhere in your kitchen.

I kept the wall oven, but put it beside the fridge, with the cooktop on
the left wall. This makes a nice prep area, so I moved the island over
slightly (4" or so) to widen the work aisle, and made the pantry a
little less deep. You can still have the area between the clean-up sink
and range, with a view, as primary prep. I don't know if you can move
the window on the left wall, but I moved it closer to the corner. Alternately, you could have a narrow window on each side of the cooktop. I love that look, but it wouldn't allow upper cabinets on each side of the hood, and you can't have an upper in the corner by the other window.

Even
though it's not close to the fridge, I like the idea of a snack center
with MW beside the pantry. You might consider a small, under-counter
fridge there, for drinks, snacks such as yogurt, and for extra cold
storage when you're cooking for a crowd.

I added in some cabinet measurements. If you don't want 15" drawers on each side of the cooktop, you could have 2 30" drawer bases, with the cooktop centered over them.

I didn't notice the island overhang width until I moved the island--you might want to add a couple of inches to the overhang for more comfortable seating. NKBA recommends 15" for counter-height seating.

You may be right that a range might not work for you if you really want the drawer storage under the cooktop. But something like the Breville in the mudroom would free up some space for either wall storage or more countertop. We rarely make toast. Maybe once or twice a week. So we also currently have our toaster in our laundry/pantry. If you don't make toast much either, the Breville in the mudroom may help you rid your kitchen of yet another appliance. Or if you're one that keeps the toaster in a cupboard to come out when needed and then put away, well, that action would annoy me. I'd rather walk into the other room then do the take-out/put-away routine. YMMV. I just thought it would be nice for you to have more options to consider.

I really like Mama Goose's last plan.

funky - I am very practical. The stuff we use every day stays out - I see no sense in adding extra steps to hide it away. For us, that is blender, coffeemaker, hot water pot, and microwave (or possibly the Breville now??!). I like clear counters but don't need to have them "magazine" cleared and stuff hidden all the time, just doesn't work for our lifestyle.

Partly why I'm really struggling with the layout - I want it to be practical, but my current kitchen is a small galley. Everyone in our family manages the big dinners with small, sort of inefficient kitchens in old houses but makes it work. No one has an island, prep sink, etc. So my frame of reference is sorting through GW and trying to think through how my own workflow goes. Easier said than done! : ) I tried to meet with a kitchen designer but the only one who does that in our area basically said, "Our cabinets are going to cost more than the custom Amish so you really shouldn't waste your (our) time" and pushed me out the door before the appointment even got started. I even tried awhile back to meet with the KD from Lowe's but after a lengthy appointment and multiple follow-up calls they never actually provided any sort of plan. Neither of my custom builders or architect had a KD to recommend in our area, seems no one is really that into worrying about kitchen design except GW?! : )

mamagoose - Thanks again for taking the time to draw that out, it is giving me a lot to think about. Will ovens on the fridge wall allow for enough "landing zone" area? Would the best landing be on the island probably? Seems like that will be fine for the oven, but for the fridge that doesn't give much space with the prep sink there.

The island does have a 15" overhang for all seating areas, but I may not have it noted. There is more than 24" width for each seat as well.

You are welcome. I read recently, on another thread, that landing area for a French door, or side-by-side fridge is across from--not beside it. With your 15" overhang + cabinet box and sink flange, you'll probably have 17" m/l landing space on the island, across from the fridge, and that's exactly where you'll start your prep work.

Did I mention that you can have a cutting board made to fit over the prep sink when it's not in use? I just posted this pic on another thread. Circuspeanut's prep sink with cover:

I had to search for a different pic, but in this one the water is running--so cool.

Just chiming in about the breville toaster oven. I got my wife the top model as she asked for one. I thought it would just sit around and be a waste.... Boy was I wrong. That thing is amazing. We use it ALL the time. Microwave use is down probably 50% if not more.
I didn't mind the sink it the original location to be honest.
Good luck!

The only KD's we have in our area are the ones at HD and another small lumberyard but nobody is certified. I got better help here than I did at either of them. Hope you have better luck finding someone.

Thanks so much everyone for the feedback! I'm scheduling appointment with cabinet maker, hopefully after that I will have some much better layouts to post than my very rough sketches. So far we have been able to make a few decisions - microwave will be in an upper next to fridge, one big problem solved. Most likely eliminating prep sink, although still on the fence. This has been very helpful, and I realized an important point of the plan that I need to change the window sizes in the kitchen to get everything to line up right with the cabinets. I would have really been banging my head at framing/install if we had missed that. And that my architect forgot to put in a dishwasher in the last round of changes to the kitchen, duh.