Bermuda lawn: Please help improve
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Comments (6)I've even heard professionals say that bermuda is impossible to get rid of, yet I did it last summer. I have a driveway "paved" in small stones. There is no asphalt or concrete. The underlying limestone rock ranges from protruding from the ground to 4 inches under the backfill. Since it is a driveway with no protection, bermuda got started many years ago. During wet years the St Augustine would invade and take over in areas. During the drought St Augustine would die out and the bermuda would fill. Last year we had finished construction on an addition adjacent to the driveway. The bermuda had completely filled in the area. Fortunately for me the construction left the drainage all messed up and I had to bring in up to six inches of fill. I spread six inches of sand up against the house and tapered it off out into the driveway area. Then we covered that sand with two inches of shredded juniper mulch. There were a couple sprigs of bermuda that tried to pop through but they were easily plucked. Now, having said that, most people with bermuda problems do not have my situation. Bermuda is a very aggressive invading type of grass. If you are trying to get rid of it when mixed in with other grasses, you have to have just the right conditions of moisture or shade to crowd out bermuda. The only grass I know of that will dominate bermuda is St Augustine mowed high, and then only under irrigation. Back to jddawg37, I agree with texas-weed, you can't seed until the ground gets warm. I was going to say July, but maybe June. And resign yourself to a weedy lawn this season knowing that it will be MUCH better next year. Now, about the size of your lawn...and this is obviously my opinion (like everything else I write), so you can ignore it if you like, but to me there is nothing less interesting than a field of grass. If you pick any issue of Better Homes and Gardens or Southern Living, you will virtually never seed a field of grass being highlighted in their magazine. With 5 acres you have an opportunity to build a shrine to gardening. If you start with a plan and work every year toward the plan (as it evolves), you can really make a lot less work for yourself and enjoy the area. Think in terms of statue gardens, decks, patios, barbecue facilities, gazebos, paved (or mulched) trails, orchards, topiary, ponds, picnic tables, rock gardens, flower gardens, hedges, windbreaks, walls, fences, arbors, and even turf grass. There are some ornamental grasses that look interesting, even when not mowed (Dutch white clover, creeping red fescue and clumping zoysias come to mind)....See MoreHelp weed in Bermuda lawn
Comments (47)No thoughts on that from me. If you think organics is pricy and time consuming, then you are reading the wrong guidance. I do it because I am cheap and lazy. Oh and it works great!! You may have seen my favorite alfalfa picture but here it is again... Most people seem to think organic fertilizer costs 10x more than chemical fertilizer. The cost for Scott's fertilizer is about $2.50 per 1,000 square feet. For alfalfa pellets, at an application rate of 20 pounds per 1,000 square feet and a cost of $12.50 per bag, that comes to $5.00 per 1,000 square feet. So the cost is really in the same ballpark either way. With chemicals many people make mistakes which kills all or parts of the lawn. You almost can't make a mistake like that with bermuda, but it happens with other lawns. People always wonder if they fertilize one day and it rains heavily the next, do they need to fertilize again?? With organic the answer is always, "no." With chemicals, who knows? You probably do, but do you want to risk overdosing? With a chemical only approach, eventually you will exhaust the microbes in the soil and you will get on what we call a see-saw. You will add more and more fertilizer trying to get results and the grass will actually perform worse. ...aaaaaannnnd then it finally greens and thickens up. That never happens with organics. If you are not willing to go all the way into an organic program, I would highly recommend at least one dose a year of at least 1/2 rate of 10 pounds per 1,000 square feet. That is the same cost as the chemical. You can apply at the same time as the chemical if you like. The reason would be to keep your soil microbes from becoming exhausted. They need food. How often they need the food and under what circumstances we don't really know, but once a year is a good start....See MoreHelp improving lawn quality
Comments (17)Sorry for the repeated message, not sure what happened there. I'll try the suggestions, thank you for your help....See MoreNext steps for new Bermuda lawn from seed (West Texas)
Comments (11)I believe that is one of bic9's golf greens. That is nice!! Modern organic fertilizers have no salt. Bic9 may be under the influence of the old style (Rodale school) of fertilizers made from composted cattle dung or even uncomposted cattle dung. That's not the case anymore, except for the Rodalians still clinging to compost. Modern bagged commercial organic fertilizer is practically salt free. If you buy raw ground grains at the feed store, those might have salt added to make it palatable to livestock, but not enough to make a difference. A few years ago morpheuspa tried to overdose his lawn with organic fertilizer by applying, if I'm not mistaken, 50 pounds per 1,000 square feet every week for the entire growing season. He has not mentioned any salt build up during that time, but it would be an interesting question to ask him. Definitely time to mow the tall bermuda. You'll scalp it at first, but that's okay. Take it down gradually, one notch lower every 3-4 days until you're at the bottom notch. Then raise it up one notch. Shampoo is used to soften hard soil. Core aeration is also used to soften hard soil. The difference is that core aeration seldom works, but shampoo seems to work every time. It works by breaking the surface tension of the water allowing it to soak in deeper and faster into the soil. The deeper moisture extends the time for evaporation which keeps the soil a little cooler over a longer time. That cooler and moister soil is the perfect environment for the beneficial fungi which do the work of softening your soil. It takes them a few weeks to repopulate the soil, but when they do, they redevelop your soil structure opening up bazillions of microscopic pores for air and water to penetrate. They swell when moist to push the soil particles apart. They shrink when dry to allow air and water in more easily. You asked, so sorry for the biology discussion. Shampoo is not a trick. Surfactants have been used for generations only on sports fields, because the only surfactants thought to work were very expensive. Well, when you boil it all down, shampoo is a surfactant almost identical to the expensive ones. Shampoo only costs you a few cents to try it. The rate is 3 ounces per 1,000 square feet. Use any shampoo you can see through. Apply the shampoo and follow up with 1/2 to 1 inch of water. If it is not soft the next time it rains or you water deeply, apply it again. I applied to my lawn twice in 2011 and it still gets almost too soft to walk on after it rains. If you want to check how hard or soft your soil is, try sticking a screwdriver into it now, before you spray, and a couple weeks after you spray. If you do that before and after core aeration you'll find no difference, but with shampoo you'll definitely see a difference....See Morepennywise2013
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