Pope John Paul II
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Is there a better white rose than Pope John Paul II ?
Comments (41)Ric-VA-commenting on an older post. I have both and maybe JFK/Pascali(lost the nametag, so don't know if it's jfk/pascali) . PJPII fragrance is not as strong as sugar moon, but it's so Amazing in it's own way and so is the flower form and shape. Planted near the front door and I can smell it every time. Got this one from a nursery and it was already a lush looking plant-probably bare root planted maybe from Weeks. Sugar Moon, got own root fro RUnlimited in 2017, this year the small plant is valiantly putting out new branches and blooming non stop- It is never without a bloom(love it so far), came through our bad winter without any diebacks-there was no winter protection. SM has an amazing strong fragrance and so is the flower- it blooms slowly and the slow progression of the bloom lasts atleast a week, and then suddenly it goes from looking like an HT rose to a peony. I love both and they are special in their own way and worth buying. JFK / Pascali great looking HT flower, very slight fragrance(hard to tell, we had non stop rain), lots of new canes. Need to watch for black spot...My recommendation is ofcourse-Buy both of them. In the white category-I also have Bolero(too small, have not bloomed yet), Iceberg(bareroot, 1st year, loaded with buds but has not yet bloomed), LilyPons(cute with pointy petals, can't detect any fragrance, flowers which started of small are are getting bigger), rugosa alba-intensely pure rose fragrance(can smell it across the yard-suburban), miniature white rose from walmart- unknown but a bloom machine....See MorePope John Paul II blooms
Comments (9)Thank you so much everyone! Moses, I think that Pope John Paul II must be a good rose, and I do see signs of improvement in mine. It has struggled for four seasons, but it is planted near Firefighter, Francis Meilland and Julia Child which have struggled too, and they are also improving. Mine is grafted on Dr. Huey, so I don't have an opinion on how it would do own root. We've had relatively mild winters recently, but most hybrid teas are hardy in my zone. Mine hasn't gotten very big so far, and the canes have remained green, so I've pruned it very little. i do.believe PJPII is very vigorous for some. Maybe someone who has had better success than me will give their input. At this time I am very hopeful that mine will improve. It is one beautiful rose and very fragrant !...See MorePope John Paul II today
Comments (5)My goodness! I am always impressed how well roses grow in warmer climates -- it does the heart good to see so much growth and bloom! Sunny...See MorePope John Paul II, grafted and remarkable!
Comments (5)Witchy, Yes, I do, and it's good news! But first, how I wish I had given my Sugar Moon more time. It was painfully slow establishing own root, and got shovel pruned way to soon...impulsive of me. However, when it gets its second chance I plan to get it grafted. The bloom to me is other-worldly beautiful, even with the stamens showing fully open. Then there's the incredible scent. I now have two PJP II, both grafted. My first one, now starting its second year, came through winter remarkably well. It was heavily winterized, and was cane hardy to 10". For me I expect it to never get over 30" tall at maturity in a couple more years, and is rather spreading, but the canes are very vertical. The crown is broad which spreads the bush out, the best kind of crown for a long lived bush. Right now the sepals are drooping. I expect the fat blooms to be exhibition stage within 5 days. It got about 18-20" tall at last year's season's end. My second PJP II, planted this spring has pea sized green buds right now, growing very nicely. I would expect an own root PJP II to peter out here. I believe it needs to be grafted up north, but I still do not expect it to get 4-5' tall, but I am very OK with a bush half that height. PJP II is vigorous and cycles very quickly. Its blackspot resistance is just about typical hybrid tea like. It spotted a bit later last fall when I slacked off spraying. I do not think it will completely defoliate here like unsprayed minis will by mid-July, but I cannot truly say so. I try to spray pretty regularly, but have some short lapses occassionally. When I miss a spray, it is often three weeks since the last spray, and it shows. I have two three year old Beverlys and a three year old Pink Enchantment, all three own root. They are starting their 4th. year now. They all have died to the ground every winter. I even heavily winterized Beverly every winter. Pink Enchantment got no protection this past winter on the assumption it is winter hardy enough by its age now, and being an ADR winner. PJP II is twice as big as those three right now. I think grafted makes the difference, but Pink Enchantment should be winter hardy without protection being ADR, don't you think so? I like Beverly's quick repeat, really quick, but right now it and PE are just about as big as they were three years ago. BEV. and PE will be replaced next spring, possibly with grafted versions or with something else. Witchy, if you get Pope John Paul II, make sure you get it grafted, and plant the graft union at 4" below soil level. I also recommend heavy winterization to get maximum performance. If you don't spray expect blackspot, but how severe I cannot say. Moses...See MoreVerdi Guy
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