Gritty Mix Variation in tropical climate
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Al's Gritty Mix... is this used mainly for indoor/ potted or ext
Comments (2)It wouldn't hurt or maybe it would? To experiment. I myself find that cacti, succulents respond well to soluble fertilizers Traditional mineral cacti mixes are pumice and pine bark, or pumice, peat, and pine bark.. They work well with other succulents too. I have been experimenting with coir too, seems like a nice product. Lasts longer than peat. But is neutral which is great in some cases, not so great in others. Plants that come form desert regions really do not respond well to any compost, as it is not in the environment. Also plants that come from sandy soils same thing. Some tropical succulents will like the compost. The gritty mix would probably work well with some succulents. Bigger cacti require very dry soil most of the time, and the gritty mix can get dry fast, so is a good choice. I myself don't like it for some plants like fruit trees, but any gardener that pays attention can grow plants in anything. If you decide to use compost, go light on it, as it tends to stay wet a long time, it doesn't drain well either. Be careful not to over water....See MoreHow to properly adjust Gritty mix ratio?
Comments (9)Hey Jerry. Thanks for your comments. I guess my key question is, in the absence of turface should I stick with 1-1-1 relationship? The way I understand what I've read the following applies to the gritty mix and my ingredients. - you need 1/3 bark (max organic material) - turface holds more water than perlite or pumice - perlite or pumice holds more water than granite So on this logic (if its correct) then maybe the 1-1-1 with my ingredients (copying Greenmans moro mix) is the most similar to the true gritty in the absence of Turface due to perlite and pumice in combination having similar water retention to turface and granite combined? Or have I got this wrong and due to not having turface then the perlite/pumice relationship should be different from 1/1. Very interested to hear comments from those with much more knowledge on the above. Cheers Macca...See MoreGritty Mix for Blueberries
Comments (6)Josh I was in a bit of a hurry last night and am looking back over this now. You helped me realize I'd overlooked that the pine barks in 5-1-1 and gritty mix are not the same; in one mix barks are screened and in the other they are not. But as I review the thread linked in my original post (above) container blueberry it looks like Al was suggesting something of a combination of Gritty and 5-1-1 for my climate "5:2:1 mix of PBFs:Turface:peat." Here in Utah it's cold and snowy (yet dry) in winter, and very hot in summer with little rain. Utah is dry, dry, dry.... well, maybe not as dry as California is right now. We have extreme temperatures and intense sun because of the elevation - I'm at 4600+ ft. Water retention is difficult in containers here. (Between our climate and the alkaline soil it seems crazy to take on blueberries, but the challenge is fun. Last year was the first year we allowed them to bear fruit and there were lots of berries, but tiny.) When you suggest for blueberries a 5-2-1 version of 5-1-1, you're talking about increasing the peat moss (not perlite) to 2 parts, right? What do you think about 5-2-1/PBF-Turface-Peat? In case it makes a difference, in place of Turface I have the coarse 100% DE from auto parts suppliers. Thanks for the time you've already taken to help me-- Kay...See MoreAl's 5-1-1 or Gritty Mix for Citrus/tropical plants? I have big pots!
Comments (36)Yes, and using mixes specifically for 'potted' plants can be quite tricky to say the least. A balancing act too that is one does not master, your growing experience can be quite limited or very rewarding. For me it's all about sacrifice's, sacrifices made in order to attain the best possible growing experience possible without sacrificing the integrity of the mix and the vitality of my trees and their root systems. One has to be able to foresee any potential issues before deciding what to use. What might do a great job in the 'summer' might be the death of your trees in the 'winter' months. For instance: One could use a mix that hold much more water for the summer while in the end could kill your trees holding too much water come the winter and shorter days. One could use a mix that holds PWT that can be used to your advantage and disadvantage if it rains too much, stays cold for long periods of time, or gets worst as the mix break down. One could use a mix that dried out very rapidly, almost too fast for the summer and in the winter and then in summer loose their trees to not enough moisture. One could also use a mix in which you have to check the moisture levels quite often in each and every pot, for some hundreds, or use a mix that you can water every time you water for all at once without fear of root rot without having to check to see if they need water. The 511 to me is a good balance. You can add just enough smaller particles to keep the soil mix moist longer in summer while reasonably dry out in the winter in a good amount of time. You can use it on all your plants and water all your plants at the same time whether they are still moist or not. The 511 also allows you to store your trees at very cold temps, even though the pots are still moist without fear of rot. The 511 also dries out evenly and holds its structure much longer than peat or fine particle based mixes.. So If I were to match up the 'pros' with the 'cons'. I'd say the 'pros' far outweigh using a 511 mix or the like in my favor. It might be a great idea for each of us to decide what you are willing to sacrifice in the winter or the summer and find a happy medium that will work for ALL seasons to save yourself a lot of headache and certain trees their demise. What is forgiving in the summer time or in a nice warm brightly lit greenhouse structure might not bode so well for trees in less than ideal conditions come shorter colder wintery days indoors. MIke...See Moresavemysucculents
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