Tuggy3, Mine is currently 14' wide and 8' tall and headed for world domination. She's a bit grouchy about pruning. My over-winter cuttings are starting to show a few roots, too, but not so much growth yet. Congratulations, Tim; those plants look beautiful! ~ Debbie

I have found with Mrs BR Cant that she will throw out those canes. But they soon become weighed down with blooms and laterals and don't really climb as much as stretch out. I suppose if you put a support near her and supported those canes they would stay more upright, but I don't know if they would 'climb'. I have noticed the same with Madame Lambard and Monsieur Tillier. I have them near small cherry trees and they are in the trees. Also, while your Mrs BR Cant is 3 years old. That is still young for a tea. I think that tall cane is what she could grow to in total if left to her own devices. But I have also found that the very long canes can split at the base if they get very heavy.

MBRC will put out long canes with lots of laterals. If you give it some support, it can be propped up, but I don't think it will 'climb'. It usually winds up flopping under the weight of those beautiful blooms. Great pictures.

I just found an old thread about Mrs. B R Cant’s size. Catspa in Northern CA, wrote that hers was 14F wide in one direction, 11F in the other, and 7-8F high. I think it’s safe to say she’s a big girl:) Lisa And that was a plant totally infected with gall for at least 8 of her 13 years! She still got large, very large. Though so badly infected, she produced new growth and bloomed well (there's vigor for you), until last year, when, finally, dieback started. I removed her last month. I can't live without Mrs. B.R. Cant, so I bought a modest-sized band of her a few months ago for a replacement. It is already close to 3' tall and > 2' wide in a 2-gallon pot. Fortunately, the huge area she occupied before is still open, now nicely refurbished. I expect the new plant will fill it in a relative blink of the eye.