We have a Bertch vanity and are very happy with the quality. We just ordered Waypoint cabinets for our utility room. Even looking at the samples in the showroom, they are not in the same league as Bertch or Shiloh. Fine for my purposes in a utility room, but no way would I put them in my kitchen.

They aren't bad, they just aren't up to the level of the other two. I'll echo the bit about the finishes. Any line that doesn't offer cherry in a natural finish isn't mid grade. They don't sand as well for their paints and the overall effect is C-.

I used Waypoint in my office - a desk and a bookcase tower. They are fine for there but I agree with sas regarding where they would be best. The finish is not as consistent and they don't feel as solid - but plenty good for the use they get. I am not sure they are as flexible with sizes and product offerings but I can't be positive on that one.

I used homecrest for the laundry and kids bath and I am happy with their quality and finish. Not sure how they rate (LWO and Sophie may chime in) but we went with natural hickory and the quality is good. I was very pleased, no complaints with hardware or finish. The hardware and overall look to them is better than the waypoint in our office - IMO. The top drawer is pretty shallow though so I wouldn't like that for the kitchen - kids bath each kiddo with their own 3 drawer stack totally fine.

We used the Shiloh Aspect in the master. Completely happy. Less offerings but they had what we wanted at a better price point so we ran with it.

Shiloh main line in the kitchen.

Bummer you are having trouble getting pricing. When I did all of my comps and shopping around there was only one dealer in our 'area' - area being 40 minute drive. Is there another dealer you could check?

Thanks Autumn.4. I do live in a smaller town, and they are the only Shiloh dealer. Also, compared to other color samples (white), they have a creamier greenish cast in my home compared to the other softer (warm but not creamy) whites. Also had the same problem with Bertch. I ordered my master vanity with them (stained), but the white samples had casts (gray and pink) I didn't like. I haven't ruled it out yet. Wow, I sound really picky! Probably if I had a kitchen full of them I'd never notice and they'd simply look white.

Anyhow the Conestoga and Waypoint were my favorite colors, they are both solid wood, dove-tail drawers, full extension, plywood cab, etc. I really don't know how else to compare cabinets when they have some of the same features. The Waypoint dealer is experienced in KD and has helped walked me through some things, I would've definitely made mistakes on. I really like having a local person to work with. Conestoga has been wonderful to work with as well, but it makes me sooo nervous to do (RTA) it this way as there is a lot more room for error. Also time is an issue, we aren't just re-doing the kitchen so I have many other things with long lead times I need to move on to. :(

Lots of time the lighting is the culprit in your perception of color rather than the color itself. Fluorescent lighting is the worst light for color rendering that exists. It's green. Incandescent gives everything an orange glow. Halogen is white light, similar to daylight, but HOT. Older LED was almost exclusively bluish. Newer LED has all of the color spectrums available, and should be what you plan for in any renovation.

Colors should always be viewed in daylight for true color accuracy. Then view them in the light that will be in the home, and color correct the light to be as close as possible to daylight.

Also, I am getting painted cabinets. In testing samples, the Waypoint finish was actually most resistant to dents (on the wood frame). I'm wondering if it's due to their paint process which is a UV catalytic (or similar, I don't know exactly what I'm talking about!). Any thoughts on that? My sample door is pretty consistent, so maybe stains are a different story? Also, for painted they only offer MDF center. I didn't know that, had debated the issue forever, and decided on all wood. So now I have to rethink this issue. My worry is that with 3 kids and a dog with nails that loves to try to sniff out food on the counter, my finish WILL at some point get dented, scratched or compromised and in that case why risk water damage.

Also Sophie re: hardware, do you mean glides and such?

i do not have advice on the cabinet companies but i can say that if your design is heavy on drawers, spend some time opening/shutting the displays. drawer glide quality can vary with a brand and certainly varies between companies.

in my opening drawers experiment, i thought that schuler (lowes version of medallion) had the best feeling drawer glides. the medallion silver i got has a lesser glide and the american woodmark(hd version of waypoint) felt more rickety as did diamond. kraftmaid seemed almost as sturdy as schuler. at my price point, i don't think any of them were blum glides which is considered top notch. i know nothing about shiloh but poking at the displays should give you a feel for the workmanship.

When we installed last year, Shiloh used Hettich as standard - Blum as an upgrade. I upgraded the kitchen and kept the hettich for the master. There is a difference. It wasn't cheap but I don't regret it as I had nearly all drawers. Hettich doesn't seem to 'catch' as quickly. The drawers are always closed in the kitchen, some ajar almost daily in the bathroom if you don't give a second push. I could tell the difference on the display as they were sitting side by side. Drawers partially closed in the kitchen would have driven me bonkers. I'm not in the bathroom long enough that it bothers me. If I walk in and they are ajar (usually dh's) I give it another push and move on. My experience.

Thanks autumn.4. I have to say I never thought about hardware, my only kitchens have been IKEA, then unknown in the last home but very well-made cabinets and glides, etc., as I never had one problem, even loading those drawers up! Wish I had thought to look what they were. I've never had soft-close as it wasn't standard then.

It is nice that soft close is mostly standard now. Oddly, the aspect line we put in the master has soft close drawers AND doors. The regular line in the kitchen came with soft close drawers but not doors. I fretted over the Blum upgrade. It was almost $800 bucks!

For the record, my boys have soft close on their homecrest cabinets and they are nice too, feel smoother to me than the hettich. I am not sure what brand they are.

Wow! I wonder if that's worth that $. Like I said, I had great glides in my last home. I guess they could've been Blum, but I doubt it, and never had one issue ever.

Can I ask for more detail in your experience, why you don't think the Waypoint would hold up as well in a kitchen application?

Also, do you happen to remember the paint application technique for Shiloh? I'm just wondering if some paint techniques hold up better than others. I'm trying to gauge this against my informal "banging the door" test.

I never had glides before! So nice they are 'standard' now. I fretted but I don't regret it. That was a lot of money for a 12k cabinet budget kitchen. I dropped the island corbels to compensate - and used the counterbalance plates for support instead. It wasn't a wash but it was close enough. I would have never even thought about it until I was looking at the display and opening drawers. The one on the right didn't shut fully one time in the probably dozen times I opened it. The one on the left shut every time with the same pressure. Likely I'd have gotten used to pushing harder? I just didn't know if weight added would make it worse not better. Those were empty drawers.

Waypoint in a very limited nutshell. My Waypoint are in an office so the 'cabinets' are different, I have
never looked through their catalog to see what they offer as far as
dimension flexibility so I can't speak to that. In fact, I didn't
really look at them at all. We were moved in and there was stuff
everywhere, I just wanted it done (read can this build process JUST.BE.OVER???????). It's a desk that primarily I use so I wasn't too worried about any of it. I took a couple little finish
samples home and chose one. I didn't look at them as a brand in detail
when I was kitchen shopping so I don't know the particulars on
construction or paint/stain at all. DH installed them so he said they were 'decent' but he could tell a difference in them, not as heavy perhaps? I'd have to ask. I think finish and hardware for heavy use. So the finish is aesthetic but the hardware no. The cabinet boxes may be just fine. The kitchen cabinets get used far more by everyone than any of our other cabinets in the house.

There is a knee/pencil drawer, a stack on the left with one drawer and a door and a 2 drawer on the right for hanging files that comprises the 'desk'. That's it. I didn't even look at a catalog or brochure.
The glides are nice. They are smoothy and do shut the first time. Not sure on the brand, I can check.
They are stained, the finish isn't completely consistent. The knee drawer noticeably 'off' a bit from the rest. So from the get go I guess I'd say finish isn't as nice.

Does that make them less durable as far as construction? Probably not but I didn't investigate them. Less durable in finish? Perhaps but I don't know, I have never seen a full painted sample display. Go look at some side to side and you can see the difference in finish. I know I'm not really explaining it well but you can just see it.

Kitchen specific: for reference, I can put a box of baggies in my top drawers of my Shiloh - no way in the Waypoint I have but it's not a 3 or 4 drawer stack so I'm not positive it wouldn't be different. Really no way in the Homecrest, even more shallow yet. In the kitchen, I wanted as much flexibility as possible and didn't want the top drawer height to completely dictate what went in there? So that was important to me. My kraftmaid cabinets had a really shallow top drawer too. We had them in a kitchenette in our old house.

Shiloh paint - at one time I did know but too many details and too long ago. I read and read and read........ I think their website explains it. I think FACTORY applied paint holds up better. That is what I remember from all my reading.

I went with a brand level and then looked further to what each in that 'class' for lack of a better word offered. For example, Shiloh doesn't charge near as much as others to finish the inside of a cabinet. I have an open cab with the MW in it and wanted one cab with glass. They were affordable for that, others were not. Miles apart. It's crazy how different they all can be for seemingly the same thing.

I hope that was helpful.