Oh you little S W E E T I E S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! T hanks sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Very much !!!! I appreciate every thing that you have said to make me feel better.... Mostly... the fact that Mr Kirkus is a BIG MAN.... and willing to FORGIVE ME>>>>>> The Bible says that the Human Toungue is a williey..... Thing that can be used for much evil..... and is sometimes Uncontrollable... BUT.... I am working on keeping that thing under control ! ! ! that is a full time job for me.....!!!!! Thanks for your imput.... and thanks for liking the Peppermint Shoe IDEA ! ! ! Guess I shoulda got the patten for it.... tee hee ! ! ! Love Ya'll God Bless ! SusieSunshine

Carol, I hate to say it in the face of such a generous offer, but I am going to come down on the side of the forces of law and order, and not take cuttings with me to Italy. I certainly do most heartily appreciate your and Luanne's offer of help! Thank you both! If you could send me the names of promising roses that you and Luanne grow, that you think might do well here, that would be decidedly helpful. Niels and I are going to work together on a list of roses to order from the U.S., and with suggested names I can go looking in Europe as well. I think you and Luanne already know that you'll be welcome if you make it over to Italy and want to come to us for a visit. You'd be doing me a favor, in fact, by allowing me to share my garden. I think it's a beautiful place, and I have no one--NO ONE--to share it with. It kills me. Frustration, thy name is loneliness. I never did get answer your response to my earlier thread "Paying the price", though I had meant to, so let me do that now. I think your climate in northern California is probably similar to what I knew in Olympia, Washingon: mild, wet from fall to spring, and with dry summers. Oddly, it was in famously wet western Washington that I began to think about water thrifty gardening, on account of the dry summer weather. I found out that roses did just fine without additional summer water; I learned to use a mulch; I realized that plants have their periods of growth that coincide with the rainy season of their place of origin. I brought all these ideas with me to Italy and have been developing them ever since. I'll get in touch with you privately about your publication, and thanks for the offer! It will be interesting to see if it has any tricks that I haven't thought up yet, because when we go on drought regimen we are very conscientiously stingy. I'm wondering what plants you have that you're worried about in case of drought. Do you have acidophile plants? Offhand, those are the ones I would imagine to be thirstiest. There is a long list of noble plants that do well in dry summers, many of them classics of the English garden: many roses, viburnums, peonies, box, yew, lavender, rosemary, and other Mediterranean sub-shrubs, buddleia, barberry, clematis (are you surprised at that one? I was), spring-blooming bulbs, lilacs, privet, sarcacocca, daphne, tall bearded iris; and I could probably come up with more. I have the huge advantage of clay soil that holds water forever, and naturally some of these plants need the cooler, shadier, and moister parts of the garden, while others thrive in good drainage and a baking sun. Kaylah, I understand perfectly what you mean. You're talking about a community that has no laws because it doesn't need them: a place in which people know and trust each other to an extent that laws aren't necessary to create a healthy social environment. When I lived with my father for a while in the eighties I didn't have a key to the house, because the house was never locked. Likewise here in our little three family settlement at the end of the road, we don't need to worry if we forget and leave the car keys in the ignition or go on a walk without locking the house. By "lawlessness" I mean something different. I'm talking about a widespread contempt for the law and for the civil order and safety of individuals that laws are, theoretically at least, designed to protect. Lawlessness means people who evade taxes and yet want social services; people who drive drunk and hit other automobiles head on, murdering everyone in the other car and their own, or who don't stop at crosswalks, slaughtering the pedestrians who are trying to the other side of the street; corporate managers who embezzle and lie and drive their company bankrupt, cheating thousands of small investers out of their savings; arsonists who burn up thousands of acres of public forest to get grazing land, uncaring about the people they kill in the process; kids who vandalize schools and cemetaries; Mafia bosses sitting in their cells, plotting deals with the political parties (on both ends of the spectrum) in which they offer the votes they control in exchange for an easing of their prison regimen, which currently aims at preventing them from managing their organizations from inside jail; gang shootouts in the streets of the cities of southern Italy; mountains of garbage in Naples.... perhaps I ought to stop here. I've seen signs recently that the Italians themselves are getting sick of the situation. One symptom is a recently founded political party called something like the "Party of Italians who have Values", and their party guidelines include not running candidates who have criminal records. They increased their vote respectably in the last elections, and I hope they stick to their priciples. Perhaps I should add that life in the Bel Paese does have its charms, and its values as well; if I didn't think it was a good place to bring a child up, and to live myself, I wouldn't be here. Rosariumrob, Somehow I missed your last message. I'm a collector. The roses that I would like to get from the U.S. are roses that, as far as I know, are not available in Europe, at least not to a private gardener. Last year I bought roses from German and French nurseries, as the selection in Italy is limited, and will continue to do so. I buy rose varieties and grow them in my garden to see how well they conform to my criteria: I'm looking for roses that are beautiful in plant and flower, fragrant, healthy without spraying, able to thrive with low summer water and moderate nutrients, and propagable by cuttings. My dream is to establish a collection of roses with these characteristics that in time can be brought into circulation in Italy, to benefit the gardens of a country that's getting warmer and drier. Italians are in general ignorant of the old roses, of the Teas in particular, and they appear to be rare both in the specialized rose nurseries and as found plants. Italian gardening tradition doesn't favor the use of a great variety of plants, and its nurseries are weak from this point of view compared with countries like England and Germany. Unfortunately the countries with the good collections don't have the climate for growing Teas, Hybrid Giganteas, etc., so these roses are poorly represented there as well. The U.S. is a country with a long history of growing warm climate roses many of which have survived as passalong plants, and there are motivated collectors and curious gardeners aplenty, plus an interest in organic gardening. Naturally it helps that the U.S. is my own country and I know the language and the culture. All these are reasons why I look to the U.S. as a place to find Teas and other roses that meet my criteria. Melissa

Hydrogen peroxide has a problem similar to chlorine in solution, ie, in the wrong concentrations, they are toxic. The advantage of hydrogen peroxide is that it leaves solution completely in 1-2 hrs after it has done its work; chlorine hangs on for days. I treat all water for nutrient change and make-up to 500-1000 ppm with 3% solution available in stores and let it sit for 2 hours. I have no nasties carried by water. Solution concentrations will depend upon your water supply.

I have to say this and no one will believe me but I have red geraniums in pots on the west side of my house - no shade - and they make it through the summer, WITH blooms. I am going on two years now. By late summer my watering is probably every other day.........and some of them are even living in a big clay pot which dries out fast. Did I mention that they also make it through the winter in those same pots with no protection? In February, I pulled out a few of the plants and replaced with new ones but there are still "old" plants in the pots and they are all blooming together! Last Spring when I planted the geraniums, I thought they would be my "Spring bloomers" and that I would be replacing them in the summer but they never died or got distressed looking so I have kept them on. I was truly amazed! I guess my point is that geraniums must be hardier than we give them credit for. Or maybe they just like the front of my house! Maybe nonbryan can try some red geraniums in pots if he doesn't want to dig out clay :)