Belmont Yellow and Schmidt's Smooth Yellow
Somewhere there was a thread on these two roses, but I sure can not find it!
I received an older Schmidt's Smooth Yellow from Kim and ordered a Belmont Yellow from Roses Unlimited so we could compare the two. Assuming they are both the right roses. They are planted about 12 feet part in the garden. Belmont came as a smaller plant with a small root ball grown in a green house so it is not a really fair comparison yet.
BUT, I do not think they are the same rose at all.
Belmont Yellow has thorns and even has them on older growth, thorns on new growth, fewer petals on the blooms, lighter color and more single buds. Of course much of this could be due to being a younger plant.
On the other hand Schmidt's Smooth Yellow is smooth, has smaller less glossy leaves, sprays of blooms, with more petals and color
I will keep updating as they both mature
Comments (18)
jerijen
9 years agoOh, yeah! I agree! My Schmidt's is younger than yours, but I have two own-root ones in a 5-G pot, which will go to raffle at the May 2 Seminar in San Juan Bautista. Doesn't look a thing like the Belmont rose.
Kippy
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Comments (24)A number of Belmont roses were found and saved by Roses Unlimited. Some went on to assume names, but now when we still see Belmont _____ in the east it's probably one of the RU findings. A Belmont Pink was probably Queen Elizabeth and that may be the only HT they found. Belmont Orange (IIRC) we figured out to be a poly in the Orleans group and I think it's now called Golden Salmon Superior by RU. My Golden Salmon Sup from them readily sports to other deeper red poly blooms, which fits the genesis of that group of polys. (See Roses of the World in color.) I have grown Belmont Yellow from RU for over a decade. I expect RVV got theirs from Ashdown when they bought out Ashdown's stock at the bankruptcy. My Belmont Yellows stayed short, with wonderful shiny foliage. I had one single bloom sport back to a single and mine seldom made fertile hips. The major difference, though, is that mine never ever were the clear yellow buds nor did they bloom yellow and fade. Mine, color wise, reminded me often of the small gardenia blooms that we see so often as pot plants in the spring. Rich cream fading to paler cream....See MoreBelmont Yellow
Comments (5)I'll keep looking for the digitals I took up in Beltsville. New growth this year is a red edge to the leaves, but the leaves themselves are not at all red, even at their smallest. The red edge (were it permanent) could almost be called picotee. The leaves don't keep the red edge very long, and the red becomes the green that's in the HMF photos. Buds open with sepals bending back and exposing a refined light yellow that is more like clotted or heavy cream. Really a great shade of yellow that I wish more roses had. As the petals open, the cream becomes white with the faintest cream backstory. The canes and stems have never been especially red, even as basal breaks. I think BY grows best with a fairly constant source of water and moderate fertilizer. I don't see it getting tall, but being a front of the border rose of the most desirable character....See Morefor Michael Garhart - Schmidt's Smooth Yellow
Comments (10)Hi Jackie, I hope you are posting that full bush shot to Help Me Find! I sent cuttings of Schmidt's Smooth Yellow to Malcolm Manners. He thought RU might be wiling to send him samples of Belmont Yellow to compare them side by side. Hopefully one of his students will have time to include them in their DNA tests this summer for class credit. I know I gave him far too many suggestions (and sent far too much material) for them to use all of them. I've also budded some Schmidt's Smooth Yellow to see what they look like grown the way they were "supposed" to be grown. When these things were introduced, roses were primarily budded in colder climates, such as Germany where Peter Lambert lived and bred roses.Kim...See MoreSchmidt's Smooth Yellow (Eugenie Lamesch?)
Comments (34)Thanks so much, Christopher! I love this rose partly because of the mystery. I agree that the peachy colored photos on HMF re George Elger are definitely NOT SSY - it has only yellow buds (tipped in a sort of red) which open to bright yellow blooms, which fade to white. I also don't recognize it in the 1957 photo, but that could be because of the color photography then made the color much too orange. When I was communicating with Sangerhausen with a man who was researching Peter Lambert roses, he said they had no record of any actual plants existing of Eugenie Lamesch, but they did have a record written by Lambert describing it as having only a few prickles (they translated it as "spines") on the lower old growth, but not on the rest of the plant. Interestingly, that is exactly what my Leonie Lamesch has - a few and far apart large prickles, but only on the bottom and older 1/3 of the plant. I just ran out and checked my three bushes of SSY I have growing now in my garden, and NONE of them, including the oldest one, have any prickles at all, including on the lower part of the oldest canes. Hmm...I agree with Jeri, can't rule out George Elger. So, does anyone anywhere offer George Elger in commerce? It would be too ironic if the mystery rose I found ended up being one of TWO "lost roses"! Jackie...See Morejerijen
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9 years agoEvery time I see a request on here for a rose to plant near a doorway, or path where the poster insists that it MUST be truly thornless, I am sad that I cannot just tell them to go and get a SSY. Also, it has stayed a moderate size (say, 4 feet high and all around) for me, in a garden where most roses mysteriously are twice as big, at least, as they are supposed to be. It also blooms at least 9-10 months of the year here. Maybe some day it will get into commerce.
Jackie
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