for Michael Garhart - Schmidt's Smooth Yellow

10 years ago

Thanks for your comment about Schmidt's Smooth Yellow on HMF - you thought it looked like Leonie Lamesch. That is so interesting, because Kim Rupert thinks it might be Eugenie Lamesch, a "lost" rose which was also hybridized by Peter Lambert right around the same time. It certainly looks like all of the old paintings of that rose (we have not found any photos). I grew SSY and LL right next to each other in a large pot, and everything looked the same except of course the color, and the fact that SSY has no thorns whatsoever. There is a plant of SSY growing at the SJHRG, and also at the Historic Cemetery rose garden in Sacramento.

Kim also thinks SSY might be the same as Belmont Yellow, a found rose. We are waiting for some folks who have that one to post pics (after their plantings thaw out).

Here is a pic of my entire mature bush of SSY which I took a couple of days ago.

Jackie

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jill_perry_gw
10 years ago
The one at the Heritage is still in the nursery, but I took a picture of it last week and posted it on our Facebook page. If you have a FB account you can use this link to see it:
http://on.fb.me/PGfFDD
Kippy
9 years ago
While searching other roses I found this thread.

How is your Smooth Yellow doing? Is anyone going to propagate it? I sure hope so
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Thanks so much, Christopher! I love this rose partly because of the mystery. I agree that the peachy colored photos on HMF re George Elger are definitely NOT SSY - it has only yellow buds (tipped in a sort of red) which open to bright yellow blooms, which fade to white. I also don't recognize it in the 1957 photo, but that could be because of the color photography then made the color much too orange. When I was communicating with Sangerhausen with a man who was researching Peter Lambert roses, he said they had no record of any actual plants existing of Eugenie Lamesch, but they did have a record written by Lambert describing it as having only a few prickles (they translated it as "spines") on the lower old growth, but not on the rest of the plant. Interestingly, that is exactly what my Leonie Lamesch has - a few and far apart large prickles, but only on the bottom and older 1/3 of the plant. I just ran out and checked my three bushes of SSY I have growing now in my garden, and NONE of them, including the oldest one, have any prickles at all, including on the lower part of the oldest canes. Hmm...I agree with Jeri, can't rule out George Elger. So, does anyone anywhere offer George Elger in commerce? It would be too ironic if the mystery rose I found ended up being one of TWO "lost roses"! Jackie
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jerijen
9 years ago
Here's a photo of blooms (not under ideal conditions). No, it is not 'Leonie Lamesch,' but yes, the foliage sure does look as though it might be a Lambertiana -- so I can buy the 'Eugenie Lamesch' I.D.
Kippy
9 years ago
Wow look at all those buds!! What a treasure to find in your garden.

I sure hope Clay was busy with those canes.
roseseek
9 years ago
Hi Jackie, I hope you are posting that full bush shot to Help Me Find! I sent cuttings of Schmidt's Smooth Yellow to Malcolm Manners. He thought RU might be wiling to send him samples of Belmont Yellow to compare them side by side. Hopefully one of his students will have time to include them in their DNA tests this summer for class credit. I know I gave him far too many suggestions (and sent far too much material) for them to use all of them. I've also budded some Schmidt's Smooth Yellow to see what they look like grown the way they were "supposed" to be grown. When these things were introduced, roses were primarily budded in colder climates, such as Germany where Peter Lambert lived and bred roses.Kim
jacqueline9CA
Original Author
9 years ago
Following is my favorite picture comparison of my bush and the old pictures of Eugenie Lamesch (my apologies to those of you for whom this is redundant, but I thought others might find it interesting. The buds are flat topped and have red on them most of the time (the buds on my LL are also mostly flat topped).

Jackie
jacqueline9CA
Original Author
9 years ago
Compare this picture of a bud from my plant to the bud on the upper left side of the old painting above. Neat, huh?

Jackie
jacqueline9CA
Original Author
9 years ago
Last pic for now - showing buds still on the bush with the red coloring (the blooms open 100% clear yellow and fade to almost white).

Jackie
Kippy
9 years ago
I think it is so interesting that the pictures we have from the past are from cigarettes.

I love your rose Jackie, I hope it is what you all think it is.
Poorbutroserich Susan Nashville
9 years ago
If any study plants need a foster home my door is open!
Gorgeous!
Susan

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