Cutting a notch into rafters to push LVLs into the ceiling?
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Comments (6)The double 2x10's can carry about 53 psf of snow load on the roof plus a 10 psf dead load for the structure with a deflection of only .185 in. (L/600) If the snow load of 53 psf is acceptable in your area and there is no opportunity for snow to drift against an adjacent higher structure then the 2x10's are adequate. Three 2x8's will carry the same load with a deflection of .257 (L/444) so you would only have to be careful to allow for an additional 1/8" of deflection above the head of the door. A deflection of L/360 is allowed by most building codes so you only need to determine if the 53 psf live load meets the regional snow load code requirement or if there is a possibility for drifting snow. Any local inspector or design professional can advise you about snow loading but since everyone in Maine is legally allowed to design the structure of a house, I would ask more than one person....See MoreAnyone make a cathedral ceiling out of a reg. ceiling?
Comments (27)The structural support of typical sloping roof rafters must resist horizontal forces as well as vertical forces in order to prevent the walls from bowing outward at the top causing the roof to collapse. In the current condition the ceiling joists act as horizontal ties to resist the horizontal force. There are only 4 ways to remove the ceiling joists and use the existing roof structure. 1. Remove the ceiling and leave the ceiling joists in place possibly removing 1/2 or 2/3 of them and reinforcing the top plate as needed. I've made the beam brace and reinforced top plate approach work with horizontal members as far apart as 10 ft. but it would be foolish to do that without the assistance of a good structural engineer even if a permit could be obtained without it. 2. Sister the existing rafters with larger members (2x10, 2x12, etc.) and raise the old ceiling joists to about the 1/3 or 1/2 point of the rafters (this approach is spelled out in a footnote to the IRC building code rafter tables). "Collar ties" in the upper 1/3 of the rafters provide little resistance to rafter forces; they are essentially substitutes for metal hangers to secure the rafters to the ridge to resist wind uplift. The connections are critical and often under-designed so they should be designed by a structural engineer. 3. Install a beam under the ridge with posts at the ends that carry the load to the foundation. Then there are no longer any horizontal forces to resist and the ceiling joists can be removed. The beam and its supports are required to be designed by a structural engineer. 4. Remove the ceiling joists and install diagonal braces from the top plates at each rafter heel to the middle of the rafter on the other side of the roof. Apply a new ceiling to the bottom of the new braces. This is a field built scissor truss that cannot and should not be designed by anyone other than a structural engineer. If the members and connections are not adequate the roof could collapse. So, the first step is to accurately draw the existing conditions in plan, elevation and section; then ask some builders what the costs might be; then hire a structural engineer to design it; then bid the project....See Morecathedral ceiling without collar ties
Comments (3)I'm neither an architect or engineer, but how about more and deeper rafters closer together? 8" rafters on 12" spacing for example. You'd need an engineer to calculate that for you....See MoreWiring attached to basement rafters
Comments (20)brick, the bands are somewhat deeply inset into the footers. It's a difficult thing to describe, but I'll try. I'm facing a concrete block wall in the basement, so the joists are the floorboards of the main floor. The joist bands attach the joists to the faceplate, but the faceplate board itself is set back from the inside surface of the blocks by a good 6"+. If the faceplate was closer to the surface, I would staple the wires to it. Since it's not, I have to staple to the bottom of the joists themselves. Since I'm setting the wall frame a couple of inches off of the newly installed foam, I now have a couple of inches of free joist space to tack to. I'm not really sure what I said to lead you to believe there were no supports......See Moreprogressnerd
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