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9 years agolast modified: 9 years agoMiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet
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Any changes to this long list of fragrant roses?
Comments (20)You're welcome! It's not odd that cooler zones will report more fragrance from many than warmer areas. Those in the cooler places are probably smelling them when the oils and alcohols are most volatile and smell the most. We in the warmer areas often miss out because they evaporate faster as the heat increases. Also, as aridity increases, the scents burn out faster. The various components of each rose's fragrance evaporate at different rates, so one may smell very Damask at first, quickly morphing into orris or citrus, finishing a completely different scent before losing any detectable trace for the day. Any user can access the Advanced Search, but Premium Membership permits you to specify multiple traits and types, where basic membership only provides Advanced Search using one criteria. Kim...See MoreLiebeszauber or Mirandy--please comment
Comments (12)I grow Liebzauber. Or at least I did--I think its dead now. Here's my Leibzauber saga. I got it from Pickering for Fall delivery along with Olympiad and Royal William. The roses were mounded up for winter but when I uncovered them in the Spring, Olympiad was dead with canker Leibzauber had died back to the bud union from canker, and Royal William was fine. I spotted a bud emerging from the bud union on Liebzauber so I kept it and planted it in back where it didn't matter whether it lived or died. It grew slowly over several years as a one cane wonder but finally after about 5 years it built up to a vigorous, bushy rose. Last year, when it was 6 or 7 years old, it came into it's own and produced the most enormous roses I have ever seen. But this winter it got down to 15 degrees. Leibzauber is black all the way to the ground. I don't winter protect it (see the canker problem above). So I think I will be shovel pruning it. Bottom line--I would be concerned that it is too tender for zone 4 and it's suceptibility to canker might make winter protection a problem. Royal William is a reliable,vigorous and healthy rose. The blooms are bluer than I would like. I can't vouch for fragrance--none of my roses in that bed are fragrant and I don't know why. Some comments on your other selections--Chrysler Imperial has the best color of any of my red roses and is the standard by which I judge them. The color is rich and velvety with no bluing. But it is very prone to blackspot. It does respond to spraying though. Overall the bush is very coarse I am trying to find a red rose that has the color of Chrysler Imperial with flowers with good form, on a good looking, disease free bush. Haven't found the ultimate red rose yet. Rouge Royale was shovel pruned after a couple of years. It had a bad tendency for bullheading and vegetative centers in the first flush so it wouldn't be until late July before I would get a decent rose off of it. Ingrid Bergman is supposed to be a great rose. I wouldn't rule it out. By the way, Konrad Henkel is a reliable red. I have won Queen of Show with it....See MoreNewer red HTs: Firefighter, Lasting Love, Velvet Fragrance, etc.
Comments (18)well, I will speak up as a fan of Lasting Love (which was sold as Commandant Cousteau until about 2009), but with the caveat that I'm in zone 10, so cold zoners should take that with a big grain of salt. It's my go-to recommendation for the folk who always ask me for a "fragrant, classically formed, did I say fragrant?, red hybrid tea" and, unlike Velvet Fragrance, it is usually available (even now) in well-stocked nurseries. And yes, it is very fragrant, and I use it to win fragrance classes in shows quite often. I love the foliage, which seems to be disease free here in mildew heaven, and you can easily see why -- the leaves are very shiny and thick. I have grown Velvet Fragrance, but only as an own root plant, and it committed suicide in that configuration before it really got established. If I saw Velvet Fragrance somewhere as a grafted plant, I would try it again, but not own root. As for the OP's original question about whether these newer red hybrid teas are really better than Mirandy, Papa Meilland, etc., I would say yes, even though I still grow most of these older ones. On the older plant varieties, the bloom and especially its fragrance, is often superior, but all of them seem to grow poorly, and lankily for me. But I keep them around because I like the blooms when they deign to produce one or two. Papa Meilland is an especially poor grower, with an especially fantastic one or two occasional blooms. Sitting here sniffing a Papa M. right now. Here, have a whiff:...See Morelisa's thread's too long... wbiyg, february edition!
Comments (35)Michael, I did get the lily from you. I dug it up out of your yard and took it straight to mine. Of the two, only this one has bloomed but it has been blooming pretty consistently. I also got the sage from you I think and it has been growing like crazy. I covered it for the cold and it never even slowed down. Heck, I got half my plants from you. I am lucky to live so close. Thanks again. The greenhouse will be sort of a potting shed/green house. Tim plans to give it a translucent roof and mostly screened walls. That spot never really gets full sun but has filtered light through most of the day. It will be a place for potting plants and starting seeds and a way to get my sprawling gardening supplies out of the garage. The flooring and part of the walls are from salvaged wood so it will not be really super expensive to build. I hope it works out. It is sort of an experiment....See MoreMarlorena
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