Is it Laura? We got that rose as a freebie with our barerooted order last year, from Treloars. It grows well flowers well, I just don't like the colour (one of my daughters picked it).

Yes I think it is Laura too. I have it and it looks just like that.

Its very close to Laura in petal count and size and even has the light rose scent but I think Laura is an orangey-red and this is definitely a salmon pink about 3 inches at the most? in diameter. Sorry my pics are a little out. It's very close to Misty Morns pics of the Joy of Life she's growing that isn't showing the right colouring either (under the roundup posting).

HI Nadia..Yes your JOL looks just like mine a small rose more pink than ( white with red tipped petals )
I have made a collage of some of my photo's so you can compare it with yours
And if I pick it for a vase it goes so much lighter again indoors..
And looks the same light pink as your Link Photo... MM.

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Nadia, I don't know about burnt petals. If rose petals burn (first sign of lack of moisture in root zone), they go straight to scorch, and crisp up. Weathering of petals occurs during the time the sepals are separating, and the outer two petals will always show strong discolourisation. If this happens on petal edges, then I am inclined to believe it's just in the cultivar's makeup. I agree with you that it's not 'Laura', which has a decidedly creamy-yellow reverse to the petals. Good rose 'Laura', a blast from the past! 1969 in fact! Described as "Coral Pink", but included as "op", orange/pink.

Hi again Nadia...I e-mailed the grower I bought my JOL from and just received a reply.

" As for Joy of Life, don't stress with that one, it will do what you want. It needs a bit more time in the ground, let its roots dig deep and establish. See all first year roses as the `ugly duckling` that grows into the beautiful swan! That was a good way of putting it. Most people can be disappointed in the first year but we all need a bit of patience."

So I wont stress about the colour anymore we just have to give it time, I bet at the Spring flowering it will look beautiful...That is the kind of Info I needed...Cheers...MM.

Thanks Misty for the heads up on that one. Its so great to have your feedback and your pics are wonderful. Did you know that you can contribute to the help me find photo gallery? Not a lot of grower's pics on JOL there and yours are absolutely brilliant. I know the QLD rose grower's assoc meets in Annerley once a month but it's so out of the way for me - it's wonderful to have this forum to chat to other local growers on. I searched forever to find something on the net that would have some local help.

Lozza the 1969 Lara doesn't have the reverse I think and yes it is pink. The reverse one is 1981? also by Meilland, same name and an orangey red colour. (From what I can find on helpmefind.com but I may have my facts wrong). How confusing. Thanks for the info on petal burning, the Laura really has a very distinct case of it that may be what it is supposed to do. As a side issue, can I ask you a question about rose hips and rose seed - the idea that you can plant rose seeds and get a different rose plant interests me. Can roses only cross-pollinate with other roses, naturally? (I hope that's not a dumb question *laugh*) I'm not sure if that's your interest field, but its such a curious thing.

Nadia, without wishing to hijack this post, references to Laura present us with various possibilities. I have found four roses given the name 'Laura'. The first is an 1843 Centifolia, the second MEIvousplix, a yellow HT, no dates of origin or introduction. These two I think we can dismiss for the purpose of our discussion. The third is the 1969 'Laura', the one that I purchased in 1975, with the creamy-yellow reverse (why do you say it hasn't?), quite distinctive, orangey but ageing pink (common amongst some vermilion roses. This was introduced by the Conard-Pyle Company, Pennsylvania, USA. The fourth, MEIdragelac has two synonyms, 'Laura '81', it's given name, and 'Natilda'. This is described as "orangey-red, lighter reverse, large dbl, 30 petals, slight " (none) "fragrance; foliage small, dark, semi-glossy; medium growth. GM Japan, 1981. Meilland family seem to have a fascination for the name Laura, as it has been trademarked right, left, and centre.

Your question about rose seeds. Nadia, it's not a dumb question, and makes for a stimulating change of topic. I believe (haven't proven it for myself) that only true species will reproduce themselves from seed, that is, when they cross fertilise themselves. Other crosses, whether natural or man-made, can result in seeds, each of which may produce a different seedling from others taken from the same hip. It's complicated, and I won't go into the genetics that make this so. This I can say with certainty though from my own experience.

I am aware of only one instance where a rose has crossed genetic boundaries and cross-fertilised with a plant of another genus, Hulthemia, and resulted in R.hulthemosa hardii, in 1832. Jack Harkness obtained plants of Hulthemia and also successfully crossed roses with it, to produce 'Euphrates', 'Xerxes', 'Tigris', and 'Nigel Hawthorne'. Of these, I have only 'Euphrates'. On my website, there is a story about Hulthemia, or you might prefer to see my contribution to Heritage Roses in Australia, recently published in the Summer, 2005 edition.

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Hi Nadia..Yes I do know, and some of the better Pics of my Roses are on the Help Me Find Gallery.
I know I have Julia's Rose and Pink Bassino, cant remember off hand how many others
Guess I should write down the ones I put in somewhere but I dont..I also have a few Pics
on the Hortiplex Data base on this GW Site and not only roses
There are a great variety of plants on that one.....Cheers..MM.

Oops Misty Morn. Of course. Sometimes my enthusiasm overtakes my brain. Grins sheepishly.

No I thank you for your thoughts, there would be a lot of our Members that would not know that.
In my Members Page:-- See my Journal I have some of my roses there......Cheers..MM.