Hey guys, Thanks to all that took the time to answer. I appreciate it. I know my post was long and I'm not very good at communicating this way. Yes, costs are a consideration... but not the main thing. We have had communication "issues" in the past with this vet and her office staff and we are trying to rectify this. Although, I don't think we are getting anywhere. For instance, when we took the new pups in for the second set of shots (the rescue shelter had given the pups the first set of shots, but we missed the time frame by 6 days (it was unavoidable on our part) so the vet insisted that the first shots wouldn't count). After the exam she sent in a vet tech to finish up and we specifically asked what would be needed on the next visit for puppy shots (what we considered the 3rd set but the vet said they were the second set) and we were told that there was no charge for the actual visit because there was no need for an exam, it was considered just a follow up visit, and then given a list of shots needed. I had it figured at 57 dollars... and that is after i told them that it wasn't just the money due that was the problem, it was not knowing ahead of time and we are not willing to face surprise charges (when possible, of course, we are not talking about emergency situations or diagnostics). So... here we are with the pups in the exam room, on time, according to the vets strict shedule for time allowed between sets of puppy shots and just to be doubly sure I mention this to the vet tech who sees us and the pups before the vet does. She tells me there must be some confusion (picture heavy sighs and eye rolls from DH and I.. here we go again) and I explained to her that the confusion must be on their part, not ours, because we specifically asked on the last visit about this. She tells me this is "impossible'. I tell her it is not only possible but, sadly, highly possible and par for the course. Geesh! She then asks me who the vet tech was on that visit. I tell her I don't know her name (it's hard to keep track, there are new and different employee's, including this one, every time we visit and this is, again, after we have told them that we want all communication on record and that we neeed to know what to expect, moneywise, beforehand... surprises are no longer accepted) but it should be on the record, no? Silly me, eh? We tell her we want to speak with the vet.. she scurries off and comes back just as quickly...says things will be straightened out. Starts to leave again, as she does we spot the vet tech from the previous visit. We tell her that is her, she's the one that gave us the info. Much wispering and not so whipering conversations going on in the hall. At this point it is bordering on the absurd. I open the door and ask the vet to talk to us.. she says take it up with the office manager and walks away. My DH was boiling. Anyway, office manager tells us same thing... it is impossible that anyone could have told us this. At this point door is opened and i see the vet again... she tells me that this is not up for discussion and that if I don't agree with the exam fee and a few other puppy shots that we were, also, told previously that were not needed, that we can go to petco! I was furious and told her that even petco has scheduled shot days and if we left now, the pups would, again, be off the allowed puppy shot period, thus forcing us to negate the 2nd set of shots just as we had to negate the first set. Her reply was that a week or so wouldn't matter!! My DH had taken us to the vets office directly from work... he works construction, very hard work... he had not even had a chance to take his boots off. He was tired to begin with. Now he was exhausted and pis*ed, too. We gave up in sheer frustration. What was supposed to cost 57 dollars now costs us 147 dollars! Ugh! We didn't even have 147 dollars. It simply wasn't in the budget for that week. Don't forget, we did try to budget for this. Also, on the Rimadyl thing, I struggled with the issue when Toby needed it. I knew it was a risk but he was in so much pain that if there were no relief I would have had to put him down. He was crying at night and could never find a comfortable position. The Rimadyl was a miracle drug for him. My concern for the pups is because the vets office says that there isn't much risk for young pups. I'm not sure I believe that. And I do know that there are lots of other meds out there. What I need to know is which ones to ask for and which ones will work with less risk. There, surely, must be standard meds for post surgical pain? As to folks who say that the pups won't need pain meds? Maybe not for 5 to 7 days...but I do believe that they will need some pain meds. I don't subscribe to the thought that they (animals) don't need them even for such things as dew claw removal, neutering and tail docking (as newborn pups or older) and such. I remember when hospitals routinely did circumcision (no anestectic) on human babies. I didn't understand THAT thought process then, never mind that it came from doctors. It took a nurse to prove just how excruciating the pain actually was/is. She instinctively knew that the cries from these babies were cries of pain. Nobody listened to her. She taped recorded the different cries of babies. Clearly, you could hear the terror and pain in the cries. It seems so foolish to me that doctors would think otherwise. I know that when I had abdominal surgery I was very, very sore and in pain for more than 24 hours. I won't over medicate them. I'll observe them and see what they need for how long. But I also won't under medicate them. Hey, maybe I will end up taking the pups somewhere else. Still, I'd like to know ahead of time what pain meds are effective and not risky. Thanks again, Silly

I hear ya Beverly, been there, done that! I would walk all the way around the building to slink in a back door that was a long way from my office just to miss the gang hanging out by the front door. We had two people fired for violence in the work place in a time frame of six months. When they notified us by email that our office was being closed things got worse. A coworker going through a divorce was jealous of his separated wife's dating and bludgeoned her to death. I was offered a job in Alpharetta and hubby was ready to move. I told him I just can't do it any more, the stress from relocations, mergers, hostile work conditions .......... I took early retirement (which comes with a cut in pension), deferred my pension for 3 years, worked at Disney for 3 years, and never looked back! I have passed the teaching certs and had planned to teach BUT once you get out of the politics it is so peaceful lol! Best wishes for a tranquil six years Beverly!

Judith, The best time to do pruning is when they are actively growing. If you see that they are under your light set-up, then it would be fine. When you prune, it can help w the caudex getting larger. This may happen. Sometimes when we cut a taller plant the caudex only gets fatter, because we have arrested the top growth until it begins to grow again. Where to prune is a personal choice on you part. If you prune lower down, you can get multiple branches giving a shrub type look. Higher up would not be as appealing. If you find that there are longer spaces between the internodes (leaves), this can a light, fertilizer or just genetics. Short spaces between internodes is what is really good to have. The caudex will get bigger as it ages either way. If any of your plants are destined to have really stout fat caudex's, it will happen through the genetic make up if the individual plant. Such as the one in photo (front, black square pot). I have pruned many just to experiment and some of the really tall ones, just produced more lower branches, but the caudex did not necessarily get large. Rick

The oddest indicator to me is your first photo, the sliver of "whiteness" on the floor along the wall in the left part of the photo. If that is truly there and not a photo anomaly, I'd not think the problem originates with the grout itself. I'd venture it has to do with something done post-installation; the cleaning, or the sealing. So many variables, but the overall blotchniness? Could be the application and use of the product used to clean the grout shmears off of the stone. If the texture of the grout was changed during the cleaning process, the sand papery grout can hold shower residue; soap and shampoo product, etc. Same with sealer use. If the sealer pooled in some areas versus others, or if the sealer dried on the surface, it can become tacky on a micro-level. You may not feel it, but it can hold dirt off the bottom of your feet, or hold shower residue. The following two things will typically whiten grout versus causing it to go darker: Could be efflorescence, but with the linear drain I'm guessing you have a surface applied membrane under the tile. Efflorescence is more common when tiling over an improperly built mud bed or a slab. Could be latex leaching. Latex leaching can be effected by water usage during the installation, as well as an insufficient grout drying/curing time before the shower was used. Latex leaching will typically lighten a surface, but the latex can hold dirt. No solid answers from me. Just speculation.