The "hatbox" design of the Trivection ovens (the convection fan intrudes into the oven space a few inches at the back) means you only have about 12-13 inches of usable depth for a pan. Usable height is also kind of low. I have the Monogram ZET2 double ovens and recommend the ZET1 single oven (or a Miele, Dacor, or Thermador) convection oven over the Trivection. Michelle

I have a cobalt blue range in my garage waiting to be installed. I say, go for the red Berta! The only advice I have is to limit the red to just your range and then other things that are fairly easily changed. I have seen a Viking ad with a blue range, wall ovens, warming oven, microwave, dishwasher and refrigerator... WAY too much. Why would you want your dishwasher to be a focal point? Just the red range will look great. I personally plan to panel my refrigerator, warming drawer and dishwasher with wood, and the microwave will be stainless. You could also use stainless, since the Berta also has stainless on it. Also, if you ever tire of the red or need to sell to someone who doesn't like it, a range alone can be relatively easily changed. I obviously prefer blue to red, but if that red range will make you and your husband happy, if it will make you smile every morning when you go in to make your coffee, go for it. Why should your kitchen look like everyone else's?

for reasons hvtech42 mentioned earlier...having trouble finding a lot of good information about the KA wall ovens I am looking at. Happy to have found this thread which - although over the course of 3 years - actually has some good comments in it! I was at Yale Appliance last weekend and the salesman was showing me a KA double wall oven. I liked the aesthetic and couldnt find any appreciable way in which it was worse (or better) than any of the alternatives. In continuing my research I started to explore ovens which offered a steam assist (which is supposed ot be great for baking breads...and other stuff). I was surprised when one salesman I spoke with tonight on the phone (at a different store) mentioned that KA was one of the few brands that offered steam assist. So I started to look into it, and first I found some reference to a steam "tray" or "rack" which appeared to be a little pan you could slide in right over the heat element and fill with water. Not sure thats much different thanputting a pan of water in any normal convection oven?? But then as I continued looking online, I found the KODE900HSS model.... This model has what is described as "Smart Oven+ Powered Attachments" which include a grill and a steam attachment. It sounds like these go in the oven and actually plug into the oven (inside) to get their power and are then controlled via the main control panel. Incredibly I cant find much information online about these attachments, the system, or anyone's experience with it (good or bad). I dont even see a whole lot of marketing online about it (would expect there to at least be some dog and pony show marketing video on youtube, or some appliance dealer demo video). Does anyone have any more information about this system or this oven? Is it something they tried and it failed and thats why there is no chatter? Or is it brand new? Incredibly the KA website doesnt even show the KODE900HSS or mention Smart Oven+ Powered Attachments!

yes have electric 3 yrs old & propane fueled 7 yrs old in different homes. no issues w doors (except to adapt to left closing). both perform well. electric more bells whistles being newer.. digital and pizza stone. however on advice on tech (we had 1 svc call for faulty thermostat ez repair but they pulled entire panel and replaced), pizza stone carefully removed, stored. this way oven heats and cools faster. note that neither throws excessive heat into space. trade off is a fan running to aid slow deliberate cool down. this might annoy in an open space eat in kitchen. our fan friendly oven is installed in walk in pantry utility room that houses freezer and extra refrig (main kitchen has 30" Leibherr)