The only problem I see is the space between the DW and sink -- can you use both at the same time (to scrape dishes into your disposal, or to hand-wash a few items as you clean up, while leaving DW door open?) 15 inches is really tight.

I'll also agree with rhome410... Too many small boxes -- put some of them together into bigger ones.

The opening size of a 33 inch susan cabinet is much smaller than the opening of a 36 inch cabinet. It doesn't sound that much smaller, but it really is. You'll appreciate a 36 inch susan much more than you'll appreciate that little spice pull-out. The other side of the susan it's harder to see where to take the 3 inches from. Maybe eliminate the 12 inch pull out, and divide those inches among a bigger susan, an 18 inch trash pullout (much nicer, especially if you want a trash and a recycle bin in there), and a bigger sink base? (Of course, that may make the room between the DW and sink even worse, you'll need to play around a bit.)

The standard "tray cabinet" is 9 inches, but you can buy the dividers at Lowe's easily enough and put them in any size base cabinet you need. What's going in the pull-out? Can you combine the tray cab and the one on the other side of the pot drawers into one box?

Thanks for the responses!

rhome410, I think I understand what you mean. I guess the only way I could accomplish that is to shift the sink down to the right or push the peninsula out further but that is cutting into our eating area. Thoughts on that?

Janet425, i felt the same way about the 33" super susan. The KD we are working with said we need some type of filler in between the super suzan cabinet and the range or I could bang into the range if not careful.

Do you think I should elimate the pullouts on the refrigerator wall and do 2 sets of drawers instead? Then I'm not sure where I would store baking trays, etc.

Can you put baking trays over the fridge? It's not much good for anything else (at least not for me, as I'm short).

For the DW, it might be tight. Can you switch the cabinets on either side of the sink? Or is centering the sink that important? I don't sell dishwasher drawers, but I like them and also think they work well in squishy spots because they don't open as far as a standard DW. That might help with the space somewhat.

Fori, yes I could put trays on the fridge. Switching the cabinets on either side of the sink may help, thanks for the idea. Unfortunately we already bought a standard dishwasher.

Janet425, i felt the same way about the 33" super susan. The KD we are working with said we need some type of filler in between the super suzan cabinet and the range or I could bang into the range if not careful.

Can you just have the door swing towards the trash pull-out rather than towards the range? Ranges do stick out further than the cabinets on either side. You may still need a bit of filler that way, but not three inches worth.

Janet425, i will see if that can work.

Any other ideas on dishwasher placement? I have it taped out on the floor and I am not too crazy about how it will open behind me but I don't see any other option. Thanks again!

Mine will be on the peninsula with 24 inch drawers in between. The placement did concern me, but placing the DW in the peninsula allows me to have a really nice prep/cooking area with pull out trash bins. Putting the dishwasher right next to my sink would have gotten in the way of cooking/prepping. Plus my husband and I have a bad habit of leaving the DW drawer open so this concerned me as well. We will have to learn to shut it so we don't trip over it or back into it. I can't tell you how it's worked out since our reno won't be finished for two more weeks. Another concern of mine is the dripping water from the sink across the floor to the DW ( as we rinse our dishes first), that you wouldn't have if the sink was right next to the DW. We will be learning to do clean up a little differently just because of the placement of the DW, but I think it will be fine. 15 inches space would not be enough for me though, as I'm not a petite person

paulabrady, thanks I do remember that we had similar layouts and I think your peninsula is under the window like we were contemplating. Would you mind posting your layout or could you point me to a thread. My search didn't turn up anything. Thanks so much!

We might have room for 21" drawers in between but I don't think any more than that or it will cut into the walkway.

I was really biting my tongue on the dishwasher placement, but since you asked for any last opinions-- I think it would be best to have it next to the sink.

IMHO Behind you on the penninsula isn't efficient and it really blocks you in. What if you need to move quickly--kid falls or needs help in another room, someone knocks on the door.

If you move the sink either direction you have the space to fit the DW next to it. My last house I did that. The sink wasn't centered under the window, but it looked fine to me. I had about the same space as you. One corner of the U was a lazy susan, then sink, then d/w, then blind corner.

On the peninsula you could expand the 15in drawer to 18 and then put in an 18in trash. It would also give you a larger section for prep in front of the window, next to the sink.

-Karen

Thanks for the honest opinion karneneg. I played around with a couple of things and I think moving the sink down so it's not centered on the window may work. it's a double casement window so the sink will be under the right portion of the window. I will probably have to stack dishes on the counter before putting them away but I think I can live with that.

I think I am liking #1. What do you all think?

I'm not crazy about all the little upper cabinets to the right of the sink. Any ideas how to improve that area?

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Yes Kareneg! I was just picturing myself tripping over the DW as I whirled around. I think lining the sink up under the right window is a good idea too, but you might want to move the range down as well. Are you usually in the kitchen solo? I can see bumping butts otherwise. Jenwrens had an 8" cab between a range and doorway if you want a visual. It's not ideal I know, but??? I think her use of space was great. Your kitchen looks like a wonderful cosy place.

Here is a link that might be useful: range near doorway

cluelessincolorado, yes i am usually in the kitchen alone but sometimes my DH will be using the sink as I am making dinner. That may be a good idea to move the range down a bit. I suppose I could keep the 3" spice pullout and make the cabinets to the right of the range 12".

Thanks for reminding me of Jenswrens kitchen, so cute and a very good use of space! I love her microwave placement too, this is something I'm having a hard time talking my DH into. He is set on an OTR microwave.

I have a plan similar to your first one (The one at the top in your first post). The DW is around the corner like yours and all that separates the DW from the sink is a 36" lazy susan - so 12" from the sink to the corner and then 12' from the corner to the DW. I don't find it tight at all. I just rinse and turn, rinse and turn. The kids then but the drinking glasses and cutlery straight into the DW from the eating area. Similar idea to yours. I find it really compact.

With the range so close to the DR door, I would not make that 15" any narrower (I'd actually like to see it at least 18"). People will be walking by there while someone is cooking and it can become a safety issue. Plus, you want to be sure you have enough landing space and work space since the the prep space is limited.

I was going to comment on your very first layout about needing filler b/w the corner & the 12" pullout, but it looks like you caught it in later versions.

The biggest concern I have with the latest two is Prep Space...you hardly have any b/w the sink and range. Add another person to the mix, and it's now a competition to see who gets the floor space!

How do you feel about a corner sink with the DW in the peninsula, if it fits, or on the wall? You'd be facing the left window while cleaning up and the right window while prepping.

buehl, glad you responded. you always have great layout ideas and came up with a few nice ones for me when we considering taking the dining room wall down.

I had thought about a corner sink but didn't know if I had the room for such a big sink cabinet. Would I need a 42" cabinet? I'm willing to go with a standard 25" sink at this point.

blfelton, glad to hear that it works well for you.

Thanks!

I don't have details, but my sister fit a dbl basin sink (1 3/4 style, so normal 33" size) in a 36" corner cabinet...But I'm worried the dw would have to be too close in that type of situation. I like either of these later plans better than the first. I agree with Buehl about leaving the 15" between the stove and doorway. I"m glad you went to a 36" corner cab. I think it'll be better. Those are deep enough without a smaller door to reach through.

My first impression is I'd want a larger sink, but it'll be nice to have the wider drawers, too. And will the larger one fit under the window's half like you want it to?

buehl and rhome410, my DH doesn't like the corner sink so that it out.

Do you think the corner is way too cramped with the sink on the right side of the window? I thought I could do most of my prep on the peninsula. I need to compromise somewhere in this plan just not sure where...
Thanks again.

Here's my floor plan. There really isn't 50 inches between the peninsula and wall run.

Sorry, me again. I was in a rush before (have to get that Christmas shopping finished) and so didn't complete my note. When you're thinking about DW placement you also have to think about not only filling the thing but also emptying it. The first plan, at the top, seems to work well for emptying. You have a 15" cabinet beside it for cutlery and small casserole dishes and then the upper cabinet in the corner for your dishes and glasses. It looks like you could empty the whole thing without moving. (I can). The other two that you have drawn - in the first one you have the door down in front of a bank of drawers which you won't beable to reach over the door when open nor will you beable to reach the upper cabinet. Where will your dishes/cutlery be stored?
And, in the second and third ones you will have the DW door in your way between the sink and trash for when you are cleaning up. I just don't, from the DW location point of view, see those two plans as being very practical.

The problem with planning to do all your prep on the island is that it's too far away from the range plus it will entail quite a bit of zone-crossing (crossing the Cleanup Zone when moving b/w the Prep & Cooking Zones). Most people find they prep where (1) there's a water source very close by and (2) near the range, usually b/w the water source and range.

Can the DR door be moved?

Do you have a refrigerator picked out? Most standard-depth refrigerators are closer to 36" deep when you include the handles. Then, you must include the air space/clearance required behind it. The final depth of a standard depth refrigerator can be over 36" in many cases. I'm asking about this b/c you show a 30" deep refrigerator...the depth of most counter-depth refrigerators. Could you recess the refrigerator into the wall at least 3"? That would help. (If it's recessed into the wall but not so far as into the room behind it, you should gain 3" or so.)

If you can move the DR doorway...how about something like one of these?

[Corner sink...to get a sink bigger than 24 or 25 inches, yes, you would need a 42" sink base. Did your DH say why he doesn't want a corner sink?]

paulabrady, thanks for posting your plan.

blfenton, thanks for reminding me about emptying the dishwasher, I'll give it some more thought.

buehl, thanks so much for taking the time to draw up layouts for me. Unfortunately, moving the dining room door is no longer an option. Widening it a bit is but that's it. Moving it to that top location would make the flow strange (living room flows to dining room to kitchen to foyer like a big circle). Yes, we looked at counter depth fridge but already bought the full depth. We may try to recess it. DH doesn't like the corner sink.

My only other idea is to have the range and refrig on the bottom wall. That would leave me lots of counter space around the sink but traffic would be through the work area and behind me while I am at the stove. Also, where would I put a pantry? What do you think? I'm not sure, I think the awkward dishwasher might be better.

I have an update! We can return the dishwasher and go with dishwasher drawers if we want. Anyone know who far these extend?

My F&P dishwasher drawers extend 19" from the edge of my countertop.