I'm sorry, I can't remember if you have kids that will need to get into the corner to get dishes, glasses, etc., either just for a drink/snack or to set the table, so might conflict with you at the stove. The dish storage location is the only thing that bothers me. Love your back wall and this definitely works better than some of the earlier versions. I really wish I'd seen that pantry idea before I finished designing my kitchen!

I agree w/RHome. I also think having the DW across from the cooktop could cause a bottleneck if someone is trying to load/unload the DW while someone else is trying to work at the cooktop. Yes, the aisle is approx 4 feet wide, but still...

I would think about switching the 36" 3-drawer bank w/the 4-drawer bank and switching the DW w/the Trash/18" drawer bank.

That would still put the dishes near the DW, free up the space somewhat in front of the cooktop & sink and make the dishes more accessible for outside help or unloading the DW while others are working in the kitchen.

I was going to suggest splitting the glasses cab in half and moving a 12" one to the left of the cooktop (and moving the Oils pullout to the left as well), putting at least some of your everyday glasses above the new dish location & across from the new DW location. But, now that I think about it, I think a 24" upper cabinet is more versatile than two 12" cabinets.

BTW...can you get a 3-drawer bank configured w/3 equal drawers? As I recall, I couldn't...my 3-drawer banks are all one small (top) + 2 close-to-equal drawers on the bottom.

This configuration will block the entrance from the kitchen on that side of the island if the DW is open, but it's not that difficult to go around. Besides, if it's someone trolling for snacks it would force them around to the refrigerator/MW/Pantry from the other side so as not to be in the way!

I remember thinking about doing my pantry like you are, but my KD insisted the corner would look better, now I'm wondering if she was right...although, I'm putting in 15" deep & 18" deep shelves, so it probably wouldn't have worked.

I can't wait to see yours!

Thanks rhome & buehl,

Only 1 college DS still living at home.

I had tried switching the dish drawers and trash/dishwasher but
was thinking that I needed more than 18" on that side of the island
across from the refrig & ovens...I am hoping that anyone coming
into kitchen while I am cooking will automatically go on otherside
of island.

The drawer config. isn't real yet...just ideas of where to put stuff.

Thanks, I will switch it up and take a look!

Don't just switch the trash & DW...switch both the trash & 18" drawer base with the DW. That still gives you 24" on one side & 36" on the other....it's just switched.

As to your hope...people generally take the shortest perceived route...regardless of congestion! So, don't "hope" they'll go around, try to direct them!

[That was one of the driving forces behind my "U" or horseshoe shaped kitchen...it directed everyone away from my cooktop & prep area...and it's worked wonderfully!]

HTH!

I agree with reversing the entire island.

There's a small mistake at the passthru corner with the measurement of the base cabinet. It's either drawn wrong or the cabinet needs to be a slightly smaller size.

Where the pantry is? That's one of those corners that needs fillers so the drawers on the base cab clear the doors on the pantry and visa versa - but including clearing the countertop overhang. I think my favored idea is to replace the 36" cab up against the pantry with a 33" plus a 3" filler because the handles on the 33" cabinet move further from the pantry doors. Because you've got a wall with both corners present, you need to schedule a filler someplace on that cabinet run anyway.

And that brings up the pantry doors. They'd need to be a max of about 13.5" each and you'd pretty much always have to open both doors. Maybe pay for extended opening hinges so I got a swing of about 150 to 170 degrees and go with a single door opening in front of the ovens.

ok I see what you mean about the island switch. I was trying to keep the sink & dw farther from dining room end. It puts the dw right on dining room side & in the 36" entry. But it does make more sense to have dish storage on that end.
Bmore...I liked the look of the double doors & currently have used a 30" pantry with double doors so I didn't think of it as an issue. I will see what that feels like Thanks so much for all the detail info on cabs. My custom cab guy will be coming over to look at this so I will go over those points with him.
Do you see another way this might work better?
I am hoping to give it to cab guy so I can see a computer image, I have Mac & no software :(
Thanks...vic

I like the hand drawn elevations.

They may lack a tiny bit of precision, but they convey the feeling you want in your kitchen better.

I agree that your hand-drawn elevations are great. You went to a lot of effort! Since I have drawn your kitchen before and have it on file, it'd likely be fairly easy to get you a 3D of this if you'd like...or at least when you have it tweaked to the way you think you want it.

bmore & rhome...thank you for the compliments on my hand drawing...I have a whole box full!
rhome thanks for the offer...I would love to see the kitchen as a whole if
you happen to have time :)

Can you see a solution to my dilemma about the d/w being on the end
of the island next to dining room? It would be opening right in front of
36" opening and in view of L/R. That is why I was trying to keep it on
the inside of the island.

Do you see any other options here?

I see your point about the living room, and I was also wondering if you switch your dish storage to the left of the stove, where do your glasses and mugs go?

Just a first stab at it. If you told me before, I don't remember the materials and colors you're planning. Tell me and I will change them for you. I also think I remember there was a sliding glass door on the outside wall, but correct me if that's wrong. I didn't bother with drawers vs doors in the base cabinets for now, and I also left the dw where you have it until you have another idea.

OMG rhome! I just got home from work today and what a great surprise!
Thank you, it is so great to see it!

My glasses/coffee mugs would go in the wall cab, coffee maker underneath on counter. With the d/w on the inside the dishes would go in drawers under wall cabs. Prep on corner side. Small appliances in the pantry.
The refrig. I may get a good deal on is a Subzero, glass door, that is not for
sure yet, but I really like the look.

I was planning a raised counter around the corner side with 12-15" cabs underneath, to be used as a serving counter when needed. It would come
out as far as the island into the D/R side.

Again, rhome thanks so much for this, I really appreciate it.

So what do you think of the layout?

rhome...I got so excited I didn't notice that you asked for my colors.
You have the sliding door correct, there is a larger 10' one in dining room with 3' wall inbetween.
I am planning maybe a natural cherry perimeter, a stained green island,
light countertops, I have large terracotta colored tiles w/grn-tan-mosaic inserts
that will be coming up the stairs from the family room into the kitchen. The dining room, living room and stairway to upstairs are red oak plank.
Thanks so much!
vic

bump ;-)

As far as what I think, I just have to stand by my comments I made initially. I like it except for the cross pattern to get to dishes, but think it's possibly the compromise you'll have to make.

Is this better/closer to what you want?

You are awesome & I do appreciate it!
You are right about that being my
compromise. If I can't figure out how to
get it all in this space, I think that would
be ok.
Thanks again!
vic

I think with the makeup of your family, it'll work OK. It would be a bigger problem if your kids were younger and you had more workers in your kitchen.