please help w/ installed cabs:are these huge fillers necessary?
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Comments (37)Thank you all for the support with this drama. I need it. So this KD's list of changes say only this for the countertop: "MAKE ALL NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS TO C/TOPS IN KITCHEN". So I wrote back, saying this leaves way too much open for interpretation. I would like specifics in writing, for both of our sakes and the builders'. Such as, the countertop overhang will be even throughout with up to 1/8th inch variance (now it's anywhere from 7/8ths to 1 3/8ths). And, the overhang will be a minimum of 1 1/4th inches, for example. Things we should have had in the first place, and what I wanted and requested, but they went ahead and did their own thing. Her response: "We will make adjustments as necessary. Please just let me take care of this, and I'm sure you'll be satisfied with the final results." What???!! I contacted the builder, who said, " I was assured they are addressing your concerns so we will move on to things we need to do at this time." The builder has been cc'd on the email exchange above, but has remained silent on whether they think it is a good idea for the countertop company to actually specify what they are going to do. kirkhall, countertops and cabinets are already paid for, unfortunately. If this wasn't through a builder, I never would have paid for work 100% in advance. Also, I asked for specs and design in advance, several times, and never got them. loves2read, we went through several of their houses early on, but none recently and I don't remember the countertops. I'm pretty sure if we asked now to go through a few houses, they'd know exactly what we were after. I've tried to find some pictures of laminate clipped corners online and was having some difficulties finding good pictures. So the way it is going is that the countertop people told the builder they would fix it, and the builder said "okay good", and that was that. I am the one asking for how exactly and specifically they plan to "fix" it. Autumn, I thought 1.5" was industry standard too, and I think it is for granite. Laminate though seems to vary, and some places really do 1", although that makes no sense to me and I don't think it looks very good w/ full overlay doors. I called Home Depot and they said usually they do 1" overhang-- 25 inch counters. So I fear I may be stuck with the 1" overhang if they do manage to make it even. I try to get everything in writing, but the agreement on 1.5" was verbal, and she is claiming she never said it now. Which is why I did request the design template, which she didn't give me. ANYWAY, I feel you Autumn all the way as I am very detail-oriented too. It is really hard for me as well to let go, and I am especially hard on myself when I think I picked the wrong thing or let something go that I wished I hadn't, ect. And you DO have a gorgeous house. :-) Isn't perfection the enemy of good? The pursuit of perfection is also the enemy of happiness, in my opinion. Though I do it anyway.... The builder has been really good about fixing other sub mistakes. It is this KD, who is in charge of cabinets and countertops, who I've had issues with since the beginning. The builder's manager, who is our primary contact point, seems to be pretty good friends with her. And there is the issue right there. And why my battle is probably a losing one. But just venting and having your empathetic "ears" has been so very helpful. Thank you so much....See MoreLiving Room Remodeling Progress (w/Pics)
Comments (8)Why thank you! We pulled up that carpet about 2 hours after the tenant's last walk-through. It was one of those moments where you just sorta say "wow" quietly...and then rush to the other room to rip up a corner of carpet in there! It's been a ton of work - much of it redundant or unnecessary as we learned - but very rewarding. I'd guess: 2 hours to rip up the carpet 2 hours for the tack strip 8 hours (?) for all the staples - God, the staples! 4 hours to reglue the loose pieces of inlay 4 hours to cut new pieces for the missing ones 2 hours to cut and place plugs for the larger holes 30 minutes to do it again with white oak 8 hours of sanding with the big-boy sander 3 hours of hand sanding under the rads 6 hours of applying finish Somehow, 39.5 hours doesn't seem like enough, given that it's been a 6-month process...I guess when you isolate just what went into the floors, that's about right, though. MPEDrummer...See MorePlease help w/ Granite Overhang Support
Comments (13)Thanks for your responses. Mindimoo, your steel structure is awesome. No worry there. I wish I had researched this much better before having my kitchen demoed and ordering the granite. You both have some good points and good questions. My granite is 3 cm. It is black (Labrador Angola) which I am told is the strongest of all granite because it is much less porous than the lighter colors. The steel rods are threaded and they are imbedded in the bottom of the granite, covered by epoxy. So, water isn't an issue. There are 5 rods total. I don't know what it's called or what size it is. Looked like 1/4 to 1/2 inch. They say it's made for granite and the concept is similiar to what is done with concrete. One rod is in front of the cooktop cutout. One on either side of the cooktop extending to the 13" overhang, and two on a diagonal to each corner on the other end of the island which is where the 15" overhang is. These two probably don't meet the 2/3 to 1/3 rule. My original plan was to do something similar to the picture above in plywood. When I contacted my Lowe's cabinet installer to say I wanted to go back to Plan A he said it was overkill. He says he has demoed numerous kitchens where they had used the steel threaded rod and it is really difficult to break the granite. He was confident in their approach. I like and trust this guy but he is super busy so I hope he wasn't just telling me this because he didn't have time to help me prior to the install. Anyway, the granite was installed today. The fabricator gave me a written warranty that it won't crack as long as we don't sit or stand on it. I still have mixed feelings about the support. I still have the option of putting corbels on the end of the island although I wanted to avoid them because they are tough on the knees. But then again I wanted 15" there for the extra leg room since that is what many seemed to recommend on this forum. Also I could have L brackets on this end. There are doors on both sides of the island but the ends will just have panels (fake doors) which can be cut or notched for corbels or L brackets. I'm thrilled that the granite is finally in. I've been 2 1/2 months without a sink. I don't want to regret not researching this more than I did or rushing into things. If only I knew about this forum sooner. The feedback has really been great! Please let me know what you think. Thanks again!...See MoreCan someone please explain pullouts to me install-wise?
Comments (8)Okay, thank you... I'm starting to understand. Also found an old thread that was helpful. I'll forget the between the appliance idea, then. Greendesigns: Thank you so much and please bear with me just to make sure I understand what you're saying: 1. If this installs between a cabinet and a fridge that has a side panel, I can attach it to that fridge panel as well as to the cab on the other side? Another counter height panel WOULDN'T be necessary next to the fridge panel? 2. If the fridge was free-standing, then a counter-height, 3/4" panel would need to be added next to the fridge so there'd be something to screw the insert to? And... 3. If I want it to look like a fill piece, just add the fill piece to the front of the pullout insert. If I want it to be even with the front of the doors then an additional something needs to be added on top of the fill piece? One more question for you: If a person had a tall pullout between a fridge (with side panel) and a wall, could the insert be screwed into the wall on that side, or does another panel need to be added to the wall and then the pullout screwed to that? Taggie: thank you for those links. I do remember that broom pullout. That might be in the running for what to do with that space. It would be handy for sure. Here is a link that might be useful: old thread 3...See Moreshannonaz
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