Well, it seems like a lot, but only clout when it didn't work salt and spot treatment. I did much research, and apparently this caluflower growth is common, not sure if bacterial or viral (uk newsletter) but did have thin white thread from center, which another poster noted as well. They usually don't survive these growths, what ever they are, but he is ok... and it has not re-occured. I try not to use meds, but when desperate. Well, he is fine now... no new growth (knock on wood).. I agree, salt and easy does it.. but if parasitical then..... PS. at my local store, I noticed they come in medicated, water was blue. I didn't know this. I just got there one day when fish came in. I was pretty astounded at how rudely they were treated, after all they had just been through. Tossed, no regard at all. (They could use mild salt instead without as much harm during transport)... at mine they are pretty cruel... dump them in after washing them off in tap water rinse, no temp adjustment or anything! Just pour bag into net with fish, then rince off, like dishes. Then dump in tank. They have huge die offs. When they clean, they run a hose into tank and some guy who doesn't know squat, once had temp over 90 degrees. They scalded a poor Oscar. I have actually decided just tonight, that sans a good dealer and good water, (seems hard in NYC - best outer boroughs which is hard for me to get to) I will wind things down. I never had these problems when younger, never. I know the water is bad, is brown and have always used a shower filter, and age mine for aquariums in addition. I never drank the tap water, had it tested once and horrible.

Debra, good that you know what they are! Mine are usually very distinctive, I think I was more disappointed b/c my backyard has been taken over by mass amounts of seedlings due to an ..obsessive month or 2 on LA last year ..so I was trying to trade daylilies that I have similar ones.. and dont' think "I have a great..plant that MIGHT be pink..will interest many ppl.LOL" My mom and dad are visiting me and they're GREAT gardeners, so I was hoping to have tiny yard looking vibrant and artsy and just generally cleaned up b.f they get here.. and it's not going to happen. Maybe they'll feel sorry for me, their organizationally incompetent daughter and help. :)

I also just wanted to add, that I tried my oakleaf in more sun for two years and it barely survived the location so I finally moved it. I think the issue was that in the more sun location it received more wind and it was drier. It did a lot better in the new location with morning sun. It doesn't bloom as much as Bill's. I do have one more that is sitting facing south but is shaded by late afternoon by a tree to it's west. That one is growing faster and it's base is shaded by a fence, so it stays pretty moist. I'm expecting this one to bloom more. It's still young, so I'm waiting for it's best year to come.

I'd cut her some slack.. at least someone is picking the trash up. I have to admit that I'm the one on my block that picks most of the trash up within a few houses; even in front of others houses. Yesterday we were driving up the street & I saw a bottle I've been meaning to stop & pick up the next time I drove by it. The bottle is in front of a neighbors house & has been for the last week. My peeve is the people who obviously see the trash because they walk by it (it was right by their mailbox) but don't stop to pick it up. If I'm reading the 1st post right; the tree that the bag was in is one of yours? It's possible what she really wanted to say was why didn't you pick it up.. I'm just guessing by the things you wrote. Sounds like she was side-stepping actually coming out & saying it. As far as knocking on someone's door.. that's over the line; I would never do anything like that. I know that everyone has a life; heck with what I just went through; my snow should never have been shoveled; let alone worrying about garbage on my lawn & I don't doubt other neighbors can be in the same boat with busy lives or health issues I don't know about. If I choose to pick garbage up; I'm going to pick it up & get on my way. At least I can feel good that I did something to keep trash off of my street.