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The Discovery Process - Tell Your Story

drywall_diy_guy
18 years ago

I call it "The Discovery Process" for homeowners. You buy a home and then months, perhaps years later you discover serious flaws.

In our first home, after a few months I found rotted parts of the roof due to no ventilation and insulation stuffed right up to the roof boards. Also found that the "slightly off" floor was actually off by 1" per every 4 ft with the sagging due to water damage to a load bearing beam. Invariably many of these flaws are the result of some nifty do-it-yourself work although some are due to just poor design of older homes.

Comments (18)

  • User
    18 years ago

    Bought our first house in 1969---a starter house(built in 1896 or so) in the real estate lingo---had a back bedroom added by the owner---a brick layer. The cement block foundation was nice and plumb---the wood part was out of square 3" in ten feet on the long outside wall and 2" in eight feet on the other two. Plus the floor slanted three inches.

    Bought a brand new house in 1978-----wound up working on the new one more so than the old one.

  • chisue
    18 years ago

    Beware the DIY home seller. DS bought a house with "creative" wiring (done by owner's brother). The seller owned a glass shop, so any fault might be "fixed" with a pane of...glass! A broken interior door had a full pane of glass -- how private! A leaky roof sprouted two "skylights" (mere panes of glass; no flashing).
    The newer vinyl kitchen floor had been glued down with SuperGlue. Best touch was the water heater in the garage that was left unvented: The carbon monoxide did wonders for the sellers MJ plants. A prior owner had "improved" the exterior white brick by painting all the grout black. The seller bragged how he and his wife had converted the furnace to wood-burning when they bought the house; now it had been converted back to gas.

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    Our best discovery happened with we removed the popcorn ceiling in the living room. Underneath the drywall was a heart pine floor. Much sanding and many coats of paint later, it's a gorgeous ceiling.

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    lol.. I can imagine this thread will get some great posts and fill up fast. Two things sprang to mind immediately for me.

    We bought our 1967 brick ranch about 12 years ago. It was still a bargain -- a bankruptcy forclosure and we were in the right place at the right time. We weren't sure we could even afford a house, much less one with so much space. Well we ate a LOT of bologna to save for the closing (that we put off as long as possible to keep saving) and were ecstatic. My older brother was jealous we'd gotten such a steal too.

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    Then "glug glug glug gluggggggggGGGGG"

    The bathtub was suddenly filling with sewage, and overflowing... I heard more noise and ran to the back bathroom.. sure enough both toilet and tub were filling too.

    I FREAKED out.. I could just picture that movie "The Money Pit."

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  • doorguy06
    17 years ago

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    Beware of what you buy.

  • lewisnc100
    17 years ago

    Been in my current house for about 3 1/2 years. Had some really fun surprises:

    - The PO apparently never cleaned the filter on the water softener. It built up pressure until it let go and sent the filter media through every pipe in the house until it reached a faucet, valve etc and clogged. So every final water connection had to be disconnected and the filter media flushed out to get the water flowing again.

    - Used one of the frost-free spigots to clean our cars one nice Sunday afternoon. Noticed as I was turning the water off that water was coming out of the wall under the spigot. Ran inside and found the basement room directly under the spigot flooded. Had no idea what happened until I replaced the spigot. Apparently the PO had a leak there in the past and either fixed it himself or hired an incompetent handyman. The spigot had split from freezing and he merely melted a 1/4" layer of solder over the slit instead of replacing the spigot. It was a disaster waiting to happen.

    - Had relatives staying in our basement bedroom. That morning my boys went downstairs to wake them up and asked them why the floor was wet. Unfortunately the sewer was backing up through the floor drain and into the basement rooms. Had to hire an entire crew for cleanup and water remediation equipment. Found out the main sewer line collapsed just past our yard and the entire line backed up into our house. City refused to pay anything but luckily we were covered by insurance.

  • lesliew
    17 years ago

    Where do I begin? Am I allowed enough space to list it all? We moved into a five bedroom expanded ranch almost three years ago, with a fairly decent report from the engineer. We had lived in a traditional colonial for over thirty years - a house with no real problems.

    We discovered over the next several months:

    1) The cesspool had never been cleaned ( the former owers thought that the overflow was the only receptacle), and had collapsed. New cesspool. (BTW, turned out there are TWO overflows).

    2) Washing machine, laundry sink in basement, dishwasher and kitchen sink upstairs, were all hooked into a sump pump in the basement ( which was plugged in to an outlet with a common electrical extension cord), which emptied into a grease pit, which was not only clogged up, but certainly did not make its way to the main cesspool. New plumbing, rerouting, sewer ejector pump, etc.

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    7) Insulation in the attic is tattered and torn and filaments entering the house through high hat openings, possibly even the ductwork ( central AC/HEAT- don't even want to start on THIS subject).

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    3. Sprinkler system in shambles (can't check that in December!).

    There's a lot more, but what is listed above is the most salient.

    As for the movie "The Money Pit" - I laughed my head off years ago, when I first saw it. Now, it is almost a horror story!

  • dgmarie
    17 years ago

    Here's a similar thread I started on the buying and selling homes board :

    Here is a link that might be useful: the link

  • diydana
    17 years ago

    Oh this is a great thread!
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    This is just what I found living here for 2 weeks.
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    Stop the world I want to get off.

  • bob_cville
    17 years ago

    In the kitchen remodel I'm in the midst of, I'm removing a sliding glass door and installing a single full-light, in-swing door. When removing the drywall around the door I discovered that the sliding door had been added by a previous owner in a previous remodel.

    Originally 4 different electrical circuits ran along through that exterior wall. When the sliding door was installed, they installed a large junction box on either side of the door, ran all four circuits into the first box, and then had 2 12-3 cables going up over the door, somehow carrying all four circuits, and then these two 12-3 cables going into the second jumbo junction box, where four normal 12-2 cables emerged and continued to their original locations.

    I'm pretty sure that there's no way that it could have been a valid, to-code solution. (How do you route 8 conductors through 6 wires? Must be magic.) Although even if it were to code, I'm sure it was easier to rip it all out and replace it than to try to figure out the tangle of wires in those jumbo junction boxes.

    -Bob

  • sombreuil_mongrel
    17 years ago

    bob_cville,
    The answer is I think, that the circuits are sharing some neutrals. I'm no electrician, but this is okay in some instances but not in others. I think if it's lighting circuits and _not_ gfci, you're okay. There are some electrical people on these boards, maybe post this q to the wiring board.
    Casey

  • first_timer
    17 years ago

    Our 1946 bungalow has been pretty good, all things considered.
    Except the electrical...
    We've had most of it replaced since it was obvious the previous owner not only knew nothing about wiring but also enjoyed doing it!
    One example was that every receptacle box was wired with each separate wire going through a different little hole in the box.
    It's never good when your electrician is constantly grabbing you and saying, "you've GOT to see this."

    First Timer

  • donco
    17 years ago

    We bought a farmhouse & 7 acres out of a 160 acre farm. The living room had been extended 10 feet. The new foundation had no footing under it. When the lawn was watered outside the extension, it sunk. When we bought it there was a 3 inch lump across the living room floor. That was the original foundation. I thought I could correct it, so we bought anyway. Great thinking, huh?
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    Don