First...with this new design you will have a lot of counterspace...so I think you can easily give up 30" for a tall oven cabinet for either a double oven setup or a MW + single wall oven. Second, lower island counters...be sure you have enough room under a lower counter for the plumbing for a sink...check with a professional on this. IIRC, there are minimum lengths for some pipes...but I'm definitely not an expert! Also, be sure you have a deep enough overhang for comfortable seating. The NKBA recommendations for seating overhang are a minimum of: 18" for table-height seating (30" high) 15" for counter-height seating (36" high) 12" for bar-height seating (42" high) If your island will be lower than 36", then I recommend an overhang of 15" to 18"...the lower the counter, the larger the overhang. Pantry cabinet...if you have a good sized walk-in pantry, then I would not get a tall pantry cabinet. They aren't the most efficient storage for pantry items b/c they're so deep. Even with roll out tray shelves things can get lost. Think about a 24" x 24" raised surface with things stacked on it...easily seeing and getting to those items in the middle (or even the back) can be iffy. I think the better idea is the tall oven cabinet. If you need to store a few pantry items in the kitchen proper, use a drawer. You might even consider a drawer for storing baking supplies if you bake often enough to take up prime storage real estate for them. Refrigerator...if your refrigerator is a counter-depth or standard-depth, you will need to be sure the doors of your refrigerator extend out past the counters on the side...that is, if you want to be able to open the doors fully! So, you can recess only up to the refrigerator carcass (box). Also, plan for a 36"W x 72"H refrigerator even if you don't have one now. Refrigerators narrower than 36" and shorter than 72" or so are become less and less common. Plan for the future since refrigerators, unfortunately, no longer outlast remodels. You will most likely need a new refrigerator 10 years or so from now, even if you're buying it new now. So, make the recessed area that size as well as build the "surround" for the refrigerator with an alcove that size. If you are not going to have any upper cabinets on the wall with the refrigerator, then consider building in the refrigerator with walls instead of finished end panels. When you have upper cabinets, I think finished end panels look better, but when the refrigerator is "stand alone", I think dry-walled walls look better...they don't make the refrigerator stand out and scream "refrigerator". However, walls are approx 4.5" wide, so you will need 9" of space for those walls. Remember, too, that counters are actually 25.5" deep, not 24"...they extend approx 1.5" past the cabinets so they cover the doors and a little bit more. This is to protect your cabinets & doors from spills...the overhang directs spills past the...

Thanks so much for the feedback! Cat Mom, I searched Alku05 but it didn't result in any pictures of her kitchen, would love to see it. lynn85, putting it in a lower cabinet was suggested by cabinet guy, however, I was planning on putting the microwave drawer under it. Ginny20, the door swings out instead of down, so I'm not sure about that swinging in toward the cabinets. Have to think about that! Marcolo, 48" is a LOT of waste! Re; adjoining pantry, it would require a lot of rethinking if we went the route of putting it in the pantry, of course we would put water and all the baking supplies in there if it seemed optimal to go that route, but I'm not sold. We have two "small" ovens in the range so this one IS primarily for baking with grandkids and use when having larger meals with big groups. The layout has been contentious from the beginning. I wanted the range farther down but gas couldn't be run in that location, We had columns, support wall issues, and now, the latest, the main house water lines run in that wall where I have the oven. This is bothering me because we have to move the wall back two feet to accomodate everthing, and now the water line wall will stick out two feet and I don't know how to handle it. The only place we could find to put the fridge where it was easily accessed is where it is now. I had the fridge and freezer over there, however, when the cabinet guy came out, he talked us out of it because of the "cave" it created in the corner. You don't see anything from the "front" door, it's behind the kitchen, but from the garage, which is our "main" door, you will see the pantry directly to the left, and the kitchen straight forward. But, I'm still debating on whether to have the pantry shut off with double doors or pocket doors, haven't got that far. :) If you have any suggestions which would improve things, I'm open eyed and can take any criticisms! I just want it to look right, and still not "seeing" it complete. Thanks for any and all advice!

So after following along and reading and reading all the good advice and then OP's responses I did myself wonder a couple times (with a few head slaps really????) - are you reading AND THINKING about the advice posted or just posting more "I am totally out of control help me right now" questions that seemed to not take into consideration any of the advice. It was more I have to have 10', I have to have it large, I have to have it.....HELP regardless of the solutions posted. I kind of started to wonder if you are a college student in design school trying to get someone to draw up a kicking design for your homework assignment and it was the 11th hour. But I am no design expert just a learner myself. If nothing else there are some good designs in this thread with lots of elements that many would enjoy (well maybe not the topiary IN the kitchen). Oh wait a minute - THE TOPIARY IS THE SHRINE! You are all set!

What you've posted looks like gibberish to me...sorry.