Whose problem is it if dishwasher won't fit after remodel?
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Comments (48)In 40+ years of appliance work I've watched dishwashers get a bad rap for valid reasons and for things they had no control over. For the most part they are good inprovements. I have maintained the saying "you can build a dishwasher out of an erector set and plywood and still get clean / dry dishes as long as you can supply and maintain the correct water temp." Maintain is the keyThat magic number has always been 140 degrees. Mandated Energy regulations present a chalenge due to factors manufacturers can not control such as how long it takes for cold water to clear the line because water just sitting it the pipe, will cool down. No dishwasher was ever designed to heat water from cold to 140+. Average home you will loose 20 degrees from water heater to kitchen, or around 1 degree per foot of temp loss. Ever wonder how dishwashers suddenly became "Tupperware Safe." Since the early 80's dishwashers have heavily depended on water temp to dry dishes. Dishwashes that heat water but don't have a heated dry, do a great job of heating the water. There are several other factors that can cause poor drying like having much more plastic than dish dishes. The one constant will always be the water tem....See MoreDishwasher Recommendations Needed after LG Nightmare!
Comments (25)I have about a half an inch of space on the left and right side of the dishwasher and a full two inches of clearance above. Our Excella is pretty dead sounding. Ironically, one of the "sound isolation" comments I encountered was yours! :) Mando, I won't deny for a second that my machine went from a not-a-quiet machine to a quiet-machine (although by no means dead silent but perhaps at the ambient noise level of our house such as the fridge) the moment we turned the DW legs to reduce the clearance on the top. However, your own experience aside, nominal performance will beg the nominal installation specs and that there are decent odds that your experience won't transport. For instance, the only reason I thought to close the gap was because someone had posted here asking why their new Miele Optima (if I recall right - it was about a year and a half ago) was being noisy. In the course of trouble-shooting clearances were mentioned, pictures requested and supplied and in addition to some small gaps to the side, the 1" gap at the top was labeled the culprit by the friendly folks here diagnosing the trouble. Well, I thought I'd take a look at my DW clearance on top, noticed that ours was even bigger, closed that and voila my problem was solved. The person who had complained about their DW didn't post back at least while I was tracking their thread so I don't know if that resolved their problem. Regardless, the gap was flagged as a problem installation for the posters' (Miele) dishwasher - so clearly there is a correlation between installation and (acoustic) performance - or at least, there used to be said correlation 1.5 years ago. :-) There are other reasons not to assume too much performance invariance to the manufacturer's installation specs but in the interest of brevity I shan't get into it. So, if that is what you are suggesting in the last post, I'll redouble my objection :-) Finally, I hear you on full loads and I even believe it as I have had sub-whisper quiet runs in my DW when it was very full, but in my case, I guess I have to contend myself with knowing I probably can't get there. As it is, I do a load every 4-6 days. (I often have stuff growing on my dishes by the time I do the load!) The DW is not always full by that 4-6 day mark either but I simply can't bring myself to put off doing dishes beyond that window. Perhaps I'll have to reconcile myself to non-whisper quiet operation when it and I are working although at this point I really don't feel especially put upon because it is so soft....See MoreAnother Kitchen Problem: Liner won't fit custom wood hood?
Comments (14)I think this is a really interesting thing to discuss. There are many parts to this thought process. For instance, a dishwasher panel is literally surrounding an appliance designed to create a steam bath while the exterior edge of a hood is a minimum of 30" away (often farther) and the interior considerable farther. Hoods are not required at all by most codes (I say "most" because there may be one I haven't heard of) for residential cooking sources. There are many houses in my area with "lower" ceilings than the currently accepted 8'. In those houses the ceilings are approximately 7 feet tall. If you assume 36 inches for the cabinets and then a space of at least another 30 inches as your clearance above the cooktop that leaves only 16-18 inches until you reach the ceiling itself... which is perfectly acceptable by code. Downdraft hoods are considered perfectly acceptable though less efficient perhaps and they leave the space above the cooktop open and therefore expose the ceilings themselves to the same moisture. The Whirlpool website sets an average dishwasher cycle at anything from 1.5 - 3 hrs long and though it's hard to judge how much of that is a cycle that produces heat such as wash, hot rinse or hot dry it's substantially longer than I ever have anything boiling. If you assume it takes... 12? minutes for pasta or 4 minutes for a boiled egg or ... 20 minutes for potatoes (this one is a cheat... you bring them to boil and then simmer) but you can see what I'm saying. It's hard to make a comparison there. As far as the mositure penetration into the plywood there are certainly paints and enamels made to hold not only extreme heat but moisture as well. (consider the enamel in your oven or the paint on the bottom of wooden boats). Also, the substrate doesn't have to be ply wood. It would be possible to build a hood with concrete board (many types available) so there would be a minimal amount of wood, if any. But let's say, for the sake of ongoing conversation that you slap together some plywood and use regular exterior house paint. Total cost about 100.00 bucks. Then you need to redo it in a couple years because of warping. If you did that every two years for 30 years and you're total cost is something like 1500.00 bucks. Considerably less than the cost of a custom hood. But most hoods don't/aren't designed to last that length of time anyway. The big issue of course is fire. There are MANY fire proof and fire retardent paints on the market. I'm attaching a quick youtube video of testing done on one brand. If you google "fireproof paint" and choose video's you'll find a number of similar products. Here is a link that might be useful: Fireproof Paint Video...See MoreNew dishwasher won't fit - need an extra 1/8"
Comments (18)Don't tell people to use tools outside their skill set! A plane can't get into the corners anyway. Use a strait edge and scribe a mark at 1/8 inch on either side of the hole. Use a palm sander to remove wood down to the mark. This is a tiny bit, so be careful. A saw can't do this. A palm sander will fit into the corners and is a common enough tool that you can likely borrow one. A sanding block and some elbow grease will work too. Use a coarse grit first, finish it finer. You'll want to seal the edges since dishwasher/ sink areas get water spatter. The installer should have done this......See Moreaidan_m
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