Oh my! My apologies. NOW I understand what the problem is. Apparently, my definition of "round robin" is not what is generally understood in the forum! Where I grew up a "round robin" was basically a group of people gathered into a circle. They paired up for a given activity. Ideally the circle kept going until each person had paired up with every other person in the circle. I have never heard of a round robin where a mailed box actually travels around the country from person to person! In any case, a single box traveling across the country was not what I had in mind when I suggested a 'round robin' -- of course you are right - Hoya cuttings would not travel well in a case like that. I was envisioning people in a circle - i.e., the "round" part. I have no idea where "Robin" comes into it! LOL :) SO -- to clarify for anyone who wants to join in. Let's forget about calling this a 'round robin'. Here is what I envisioned in the beginning. Let's say I am a person in the group: 1) I list 2 haves and 2 wants to the circle of participants in Sept 2006 2) I find someone in the circle who wants a cutting that I have, and I send it to them 3) I find someone in the circle who has a cutting that I want, and they send it to me ) I list 2 haves and 2 wants in March 2007, and we go again. 4) Everyone in the group hopefully receives and sends out at least one small cutting in each round. The idea was to get newbies involved so that they would get cuttings, and in the next round hopefully will have gained or grown enough to send cuttings to others. In the case where a newbie has no cuttings to send, they would send postage. No large cuttings would be planned for unless someone gets really ambitious about sending. The idea being that it in invoked every six months or so. Each person will end up sending and receiving each time we invoke the list. As we go along, newbies will be growing and able to send cuttings of their own in later rounds. Does that make sense?

Hi Binky123, Hello I been here before What was your previous GW member name and what was the reason for changing your name, if you don't mind me asking? Typically established' members with a least a few good reviews at The Rate and Review Forum organize the RR. Do you have a review thread from your previous name? Usually established members are leery of going to the time, trouble, and expense of mailing their seeds off to a new member with no established reviews....iykwim. chemocurl...aka Sue

Hue families, color notations and LRV is the tactical way to approach color. If you've read some of my stuff, you also know that I firmly believe that you cannot color by numbers alone. "Always remember that nobody accepts or rejects color because of numbers - it is the way it looks that counts." (Billmeyer 1970 and 1979) There is a balance of art and science with regards to color for the built environment; too much weight one way or another and it's like trying to juggle with one hand. Sure, you can do it but it's a heck of a lot easier with both. With that said... Do you think any of these colors would be good exterior colors? Yes. Which one is the best fit should be based on the fixed elements of the house: brick, mortar, stone, roof, etc. Which one looks right? Do you think either are too pink or green? Here are how the numbers stack up: Balanced Beige .44 Y / 7.25 / 1.49 ⢠LRV 46.0 Bleeker Beige 1.36 Y / 7.61 / 1.89 ⢠LRV 54.0 Jackson Tan 7.47 YR / 5.83 / 3.56 ⢠LRV 25.6 (color notations from The LoC color lab) About pinkness: all the colors, the two new and one old, are snuggled up around the 10YR mark. (see color wheel below). Odds of Balanced B. or Bleeker B. showing a pink overtone is unlikely because they are too far away from the Red Hue Family. About greeness: With colors from the yellow hue family like Bleeker B. and Balanced B., the lower the last number, chroma, the better the odds that a color could have some greeness with which to respond to a quality of light that also has a green characteristic. The direction of your house comes into play. The south and west sides are least likely to have a green quality of light to sync up with any greeness qualities in a paint color. Looking at the numbers and we know that Balanced B. with a chroma of 1.49 would be more likely to show an edge of greeness than Bleeker B. with a chroma of 1.89. I want light, but deep? Does that make sense? Yes. I'm assuming you've read up on LRV and will get this next part. The second and last numbers in a color notation combined are called nuance. In other words, value + chroma = nuance. Nuance is not the same thing as LRV. To evaluate "light" look at the LRV number. The higher the number, the more light a color will reflect. To evaluate "deep" look at nuance, value + chroma together. Both axes. Chroma - "Deep" colors will have an amount of chroma in the 2, 4, 6 range. -AND- Value - Comparatively, the lower the value number, the "deeper" the color. Hope that helps... and doesn't keep you up tonight. ;)

There are a lot of pros here---remodeling and building. I did both, but not as long as most of the other fellows. I also do hobby woodworking and some plywood furniture(oak ply mainly.) I make picture frame molding and craft some---doll houses, crosses for churches, etc.