Kitchen drawers versus pull-out shelves?
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Comments (40)There are quite a few threads out there discussing drawers vs roll-out tray shelves (ROTS and a.k.a., pull-out shelves). Pros & Cons of each Opening/Closing... Drawers require one movement to open/close Open: pull open Close: push closed. ROTS, on the other hand, require 2 or 3 motions plus waiting... Open: move out of the way of the doors, open 1 or 2 doors, pull out ROTS. If you want something in the front: move out of the way of the doors, open 1 or 2 doors, pull out ROTS slightly so you can lift the item over the edge. Close: push in ROTS, wait for it to close fully (so you don't ding the doors), close 1 or 2 doors Storage/sides... Drawers have sides the height of the drawer opening. This prevents things from falling off the sides, either onto the floor or into the interior of the cabinet (on the sides). This means you can stack things w/o worrying about things falling as the sides will catch them. It also keeps things from extending out past the walls of the drawer so they don't get caught on the cabinet frame when opening the drawer (Note: Getting caught on the frame is not an issue w/frameless cabinets, just framed...which includes overlay & inset.) ROTS have shallow sides, thus allowing things to fall off the sides and allowing things to hang over the sides of the shelf and get caught on the cabinet frame (which can result in nicks in your frame - experience speaking here!). Adjustability... Drawers are not adjustable to different heights inside the cabinet. OK, this is the one place where ROTS have the advantage. However, with planning and/or organizers you can do almost anything with the drawers and store almost anything in them (dishes, glasses, etc.) ROTS have the advantage here in most cases. Most ROTS are adjustable..but not all are, so check w/your cabinetmaker. Cost... Drawers, in my case were less expensive than ROTS. I have a 27" 3-drawer base and a 27" ROTS base cabinet (the only ROTS cab I have and that I regret) and the ROTS cab cost $140 more than the drawer base. Regardless of your decision on drawers vs ROTS, get full-extension...it's a must b/c it allows you full access to your drawers or ROTS! Soft-close is also nice, but it's a "nice to have" not a "must" (although, soft-close does come standard in some cabinet lines like Omega & Omega Dynasty/Embassy). Actually, I don't recommend soft-close for ROTS b/c the slight delay in closing (as the drawer/tray is gently closed) means having to wait to close the door(s). [Experience speaking here again!] Here are some threads that might be of interest to you (and others)... Thread: Drawers or cabinet under cooktop? Thread: Drawers over pull outs in Cabinets Thread: Kitchen drawers versus pull-out shelves? Thread: Which pull out drawers are must haves? [Some discussion of drawers vs ROTS contained inside the thread]...See MoreKitchen cabinets--drawers vs tall pull-out units?
Comments (11)"...A $700 6" spice pullout is an expensive space filler that isn't that usable..." I beg to differ. I have two of them...and they're a lot more useful than empty filler! I fit a lot of items on them that would take up space in other locations and be blocking each other. With my filler pullouts I have my many, many baking sprinkles in one and my most used spices, ingredients (like molasses, honey, cocoa, vanilla), and recipe box in the other. The one w/the baking items is in my "Baking Center" and the one w/spices, etc. is in my Prep Zone - all very conveniently located and very useful! If you put the tallest items on the bottom shelf and the shortest (or most used) on the top shelf, you don't have to lean over that much or that often. Finally, they are too narrow to have items more than two deep, so that means you can pretty much see everything stored in them! My cabinets were already delivered so it was either filler pullouts or empty filler...we had to "fix" one of the many measuring errors by my KD. But, if I had to do it over again, I would try to fit at least one in my kitchen. (Just so you know, filler pullouts are available for both base and upper cabinets.) Oh, and they are not $700...mine were less than $450 each. $700 may be Rev-A-Shelf's "list" price, but not even my KD would charge that much for them! [In the interests of full disclosure, I did not pay for mine - I insisted my KD pay for them b/c I lost so much cabinet & pantry storage due to her measuring mistakes! But, they did try to charge me, so I have the change order they tried to get me to sign.] Together... Baking Center side (left of cooktop)... Prep Zone side (right of cooktop)... > Roll Out Tray Shelves (ROTS)...items can fall off ROTS b/c most have short sides. If they have high sides, then they may as well be drawers. Pot/pan/container handles and anything else that might hang off the sides of the shelves can get caught on the frame of your cabinet and ding it - both coming out and going in. And, of course, there's the issue I mentioned previously about being very careful you open the doors fully b/f pulling an ROTS out so you don't ding your cabinet doors; and being very careful about making sure your ROTS is completely closed before closing the doors so you don't ding the doors on the corners of the ROTS when closing the doors! Drawers should not be so deep that you have to stack different items on top of each other...plan your drawers accordingly - I have both 3-drawer and 4-drawer stacks - I planned my storage so other than a few drawers, I don't have to stack things. It's nice having my pots & pans in a drawer mostly one layer deep (pan + lid stored together) so I don't have to shift things around. [FYI...I think webbrowseraz is a spammer...the only posts I could find from him/her - all four (spanning from January to now) - link to the same site with basically the same post as on this thread.]...See MoreKitchen Reno Cont’d: Ideas/Suggestions/Help Please!
Comments (24)benjesbride, thank you for the suggestions – I appreciate all ideas. I should have included an earlier render of the layout in the TV room (including the largest double recliner we’ve found but not purchased). I’ve added it below. To give DH his dedicated coffee making area, buehl put a coffee bar in the tv room, suggesting we make it a combo snack bar (love this). Yes, this room is for TV viewing only, but also works as a small man-cave (other than the coffee bar) – we have another tv in the Great Room. We’re going with a double recliner because: We don’t entertain - it’s just the 2 of us; Not there now, but as we age, circulation issues may arise, so legs/feet in elevated position; Wish to make this room about comfort for DH, thus, a (double) recliner. In the current location below: the recliner won’t obstruct the passthrough view as it sits lower in both positions. It’s the perfect location – I can easily see DH and talk to him at the passthrough (or close it off for noise buffer)! This is DH’s dedicated room, and he loves the ‘vintage industrial’ look, so we are building the tv/coffee-snack bar as a large cabinet. I built furniture, refinished antiques, and was a decent woodworker 2 decades ago, so have experience, and DH can build pretty much anything mechanical/metal. We intend (for now, plans change!) to go with a distressed copper countertop to make the coffee bar masculine/bar-like for DH, add shelving to display his man-tiques (masculine antiques/collection), enclose the mini fridge, snack, and bean storage areas, and I’ll refine some of the industrial look to go with our whole-house décor. As you wisely mentioned, that’ll be a narrow room and I’ve been very concerned about this. We’d marked it off with painter’s tape, but that’s not adequate. Last weekend we brought a large (temporary) sofa from storage to the room, got his huge tv hooked up, and have loved the set-up! The distance is perfect: no scanning the tv (moving eyes side to side for complete viewing), and in the reclined position, the higher position of the tv will also be perfect. We’ll build vintage wall lights at each side of the recliner. cpartist suggested a mantlemount, and we are keeping this option in mind to raise and lower the tv. Later, when all is done, we’ll decide if we have room to add simple seating if DH wishes to have a hangout area with more than 1 friend at a time… as well as more wall display areas. Tho’ I love the idea of a window to view the herb garden, windows aren’t conducive to tv viewing (on weekends during daytime sports). If you see any flaws in what I’ve described, please point them out to me! Thanks!...See Moremrs-mjt
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