building a kid's bed.. inside the wall (dutch bed)
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Comments (8)You have to build a retaining wall out of stone to get higher than 10-12". Small beds of one foot height or less can use the standard garden centers' Retaining Wall Blocks. Pick your style and color. ...I suggest a small bed, very small, like 2'x4' x 1' high as an initial project. It is not hard but is labor intensive. You will need to get an inch or two into the subsurface... 4"x6" lumber will work for that size too; even 4x4's. However, you will want to stack heavy stones on them so 4x6 is best(with the 6" side on the ground). You can use cedar or redwood if pressure treated cannot be used. ( BTW, That is expensive lumber. ) For taller structures you need some larger blocks such as those from Anchor Wall Systems. They are called gravity walls because gravity is the equalizing force to sub' for those stakes. You can build 18", 24" and for some of the blocks even 36" gravity walls. Anchor Projects AWS Products Now if you have big, heavy(50+lbs) stones in the area, you could use those rather than purchase cut ones. Gathering them should be fun -take your shotgun. ... You can make a frame of 2x12xY' lumber and stack stones on and around it too. The frame by itself will not work without support in the long term. (short term w/b okay) I rec' that you look for landscaper in the area and tell them what you want. So many beds is a big project and take my word for it, those retaining wall blocks used for 2'+ high walls are very heavy(70 lbs ea.) when moving and stacking a hundred or more of them. And you will need a lot more than 100 ... Now, here's a novel idea for you if you want to be earthy and practical. Use bales of hay. Entire homes have been built that way. I have no experience building structures with them so you have to Google... Just so you know, pressure treated lumber is not harmful to people, plants or the environment when used properly. Five years or so ago, it might have been ( and was dangerous to some really stupid people ) but that kind of PT lumber is not made anymore or sold anywhere in the USA. It would be, relatively, simple to construct a 8'x8'x1' bed with landscape timber; I've done it here and am about to do it again for a base wall for a garden house. It is like making toothpick houses but instead of glue at the corners one uses 5" spikes ... there are plans on the net. E.g.: Raised Bed Project Again, however, without stakes in the ground you will have to add weight to the top. The taller it is, the more that is needed. Sides will need support too if the structure is very long... Good Luck!...See MoreCheck out my beds, pictures inside!
Comments (33)I have to agree with Josh_Palm_Crazy, and Xerophyte_nyc in this thread. Im in a warm zone 7B / cold 8A, and sago's outdoors HERE do not even work. Not year round anyway. The outdoor Trachy in zone 4 is far more feasible and far more believable than an outdoor sago in zone 5. Its a nice yard, nice layout..etc, but I personally wouldnt have selected some of the plantings. Does that wall with the washingtonia face south? Just curious. IF thats a south facing wall, you may have a chance at protecting the washy there, but I really just dont see a washy coming through a zone 5 winter. If we could do there are where I am located, I would be doing it by now for sure. This is almost like that Butia Capiata in Rochester NY, only they move it indoors every year to a conservatory. That palm simply cannot be grown in rochester ny, outdoors, year round. Those Bananas look very small too. Personally, I wouldnt expect more than a few feet out of them this season max. Anyway, good luck with it. Ill be curious to follow it and see how your things grow....See MoreUsing concrete blocks to build beds?
Comments (68)Bryan, Your bed looks great. We are also in the process of finishing some of these cinder block raised gardens. I strongly considered just dry laying them, but have since decided to motar my blocks. We used the narrow blocks (I'm thinking the 4X8X16 size) and I plan to put the pavers on top as a cap. I went 2 high. As a base, I leveled a 4X4 treated lumber in front, framed with a 2X4 treated lumber on back with 4" of concrete in between. It is a nice solid foundation. On the bed ends, I did use the 8X8X16 size to give me 8 nice pepper plant holes. Because we have morning glory (I think the real name is bindweed?) that is impossible to control, I actually lined the ground with pit liner. I will then put a layer of rock and the weed barrier on top of the rocks...sorta a double whammie to weeds. I actually like the look of the block gardens. If nice and straight, they can be an attractive addition to anyone's back yard. I really like the look of the wood base also. My ground did slope alot. I have also purchased the 16X16 cobble pavers to place around the grounds, with gravel surrounding the area. We purchased a green house from Lowes this year (already wish it were larger) which sets iin the middleof the garden area. The area is surrounded by a 6" wood fence which serves at a wind barrier. I'm excited to have it finished up and ready to plant. It has been a weird year in Utah...I always get a good freeze the second week of June. At 7000 feet, that's not surprising..:0)...See Morekids' beds in their closets?
Comments (19)Oaktown, thanks for the sleeping alcove and dutch beds link. So cool! I googled dutch beds after your post; such a neat concept. I love what Mongoct did. I don't think my husband and I are quite that talented. :-) I agree that difficulty making the bed would be a slight annoyance at worst for me. If it's something my kids, one or both, would really enjoy, then bed-making is a non-issue. Kirkhall, thank you for your opinion. I appreciate it and I want to hear all sides before I make a decision so that I can consider the pros and cons. In one bedroom, the dimensions would still by 11'6" by 12'2", which I think is fine especially without a bed in there. We've had bedrooms smaller than that for the kids. The other would be 12" by 10'4", and it looks like that closet depth without modification would be 28", so we'd need to add 8". I'm a little more concerned about that one. Worthy, I think a bed in the closet is efficient and smart if space is tight. ;-) LuAnn_in_PA, when they outgrow the closet bed: because we are keeping the framing, we would just have to add a door to turn it back into a closet. If we made it a closet again, we would add a storage system so that all of their clothes would fit inside, so that they wouldn't need a dresser. This would make up for the lost 8 square feet of bedroom space with the expanded closet. It would be a foot deeper than normal, but with the 6 ft. wide opening, it should not hinder access. That is my thought anyway. Depending on age, it could also be lined with shelves for books with some big pillows in the corner for a reading nook. Or we could add a chair and a desk and make it a study nook. mommytoty, LOVE that! Now I wish we had stairs! What a great idea. Live_wire_Oak, I'm not sure I can picture your idea with the built in dressers, but it sounds interesting. Do you have an inspiration picture? dlm2000, I bet your son loved that! If you had the closet and the alcove, did you have large bedroom dimensions? I'm not sure we have the space for both. I'm including both bedroom layouts showing original closet and expanded closet dimensions:...See Moreoruboris
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